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pocochina

my collected wit and wisdom, or something!

Apr 27, 2013 11:14

I realized last night that while I've mostly stuck to my designation of Tumblr as being for bookmarking and sassy tagging of graphics while journaling is for thoughts. But sometimes those posts turn into short but substantive discussions, and I'd rather have them here.

one about why I hate the concept and the other about the Dove campaign

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spn: i love luci, feminism, btvs/ats, bsg: gaius frakking baltar, supernatural, spn: sammay!, bsg, bsg: laura roslin is my favorite, btvs/ats: angel's hair sticks straight u, body positivity

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pocochina April 27 2013, 19:36:00 UTC

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pocochina April 27 2013, 21:08:43 UTC

Well there's more where that came from!

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ceciliaj April 27 2013, 20:02:39 UTC

Yay, Gaius Baltar! I love following your tumblr.

pocochina April 27 2013, 21:14:46 UTC

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local_max April 27 2013, 22:11:26 UTC

I love your Gaius post (and I read it when you posted it on tumblr! score). Selenak, I think, said that Baltar is the one and only (?) significant character in BSG who never hates anyone, and I think offhand that's true -- Laura sometimes *hates* Baltar and Zarek I think, Lee hates Lee, Bill hates everyone who's not Bill, etc ( ... )

pocochina April 27 2013, 22:44:01 UTC

Baltar is the one and only (?) significant character in BSG who never hates anyone, and I think offhand that's true

I've never thought of it that way, but that's a perfect encapsulation of Gaius. Which I think makes sense, given his personality in context of what we end up finding out about his upbringing? Kara learned survival meant going on the offensive, Lee built those big stone walls around himself, and Gaius learned that he should never, ever fight back. I think he would have ended up being readily gentle and nonconfrontational, because some people just seem to be inclined that way and I think he's one of them. But as it stands, his reaction to any and all interpersonal conflict is just to let things go and accept a huge level of mistreatment as a given. (Like how D'Anna brutally tortures him in one episode, and then in the next one they're literally in bed together and he seems fine with it?)

Laura sometimes *hates* Baltar and Zarek I thinkShe really does. Particularly Baltar, I think, because she just can't understand him. ( ... )

local_max April 27 2013, 23:05:04 UTC

I've never thought of it that way, but that's a perfect encapsulation of Gaius. Which I think makes sense, given his personality in context of what we end up finding out about his upbringing? Kara learned survival meant going on the offensive, Lee built those big stone walls around himself, and Gaius learned that he should never, ever fight back. I think he would have ended up being readily gentle and nonconfrontational, because some people just seem to be inclined that way and I think he's one of them. But as it stands, his reaction to any and all interpersonal conflict is just to let things go and accept a huge level of mistreatment as a given. (Like how D'Anna brutally tortures him in one episode, and then in the next one they're literally in bed together and he seems fine with it?)Ha, right. And the D'Anna thing makes me think, too -- that makes sense with the man-ho stuff as well, because, to some degree, he actually genuinely has no brakes on certain interpersonal things in part because he has no defenses to other people, ( ... )

pocochina April 28 2013, 00:33:43 UTC

to some degree, he actually genuinely has no brakes on certain interpersonal things in part because he has no defenses to other people, maybe?

Oh, completely. I feel like it all adds up to a boundaries thing? If Gaius acknowledges that he gets to say no to anyone at all, then a whole lifetime of violations catches up to him and OH MY GOD he cannot deal with that. But if he keeps on this trajectory where he's okay with everything, it lets him repress. I didn't watch the miniseries first, and so I don't know how much what came later colored my interpretations, but looking back at that first scene when the bombs hit and Caprica's first impulse is to try to convince him that HE TOTALLY WANTED TO BE EXPLOITED. And that just in retrospect strikes me as...very telling. It's as personal a violation as Sharon's Stockholming of Helo, except the result is that instead of being a father he's implicated in genocide. I can...feel if not quite describe how that would support what we see from him throughout the series.

"Man, I can't believe I was ( ... )

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obsessive_a101 April 27 2013, 23:44:40 UTC

As you probably already know (see what I mean by brain switching out words on me randomly? ><" I hope this was not essentially a right frontal cortex thing...), a YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS on all your Gaius and Gaius/Laura interaction thoughts ( ... )

pocochina April 28 2013, 00:45:25 UTC

re: archangels ( ... )

obsessive_a101 April 28 2013, 01:08:25 UTC

LOL- I love how your icons serve as much as replies as the rest of the comment ( ... )

pocochina April 28 2013, 01:46:01 UTC

I'm really interested in how your thoughts on the show are evolving. IA that it's much easier to be appropriately skeptical the second time around when you're not white-knuckling it as to whether they're going to die in the next five minutes, even for people who aren't real.

I do love how he conveniently forgets his involvement in this discussion about what to do with Hera prior to Sharon "becoming his daughter" during NC arc to being pissed at Laura in EOJ? Or maybe, it's that she never told him about her decision to hide the child?

Yeah. The ire at Laura strikes me very much as being more about SHE made the call, rather than what call she made. Which would be cute, except she's the president and IT'S HER JOB to make certain calls. And ugh, notice that Cottle was perfectly capable of keeping state secrets when someone gave him an order. It's just when some poor sick girl who can't do anything needs five goddamn minutes of privacy he comes over all Chatty Cathy.

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percysowner April 28 2013, 15:18:06 UTC

Oh Lilith and the treatment of all demons on this show makes me crazy! They take people and torture them into insanity to the point where (in the early seasons) they didn't even remember being human, then that changed. AND these tortured, traumatized souls then get to be killed and tortured with impunity because they are "evil". I know it was a "cool" idea when they decided that demons had once been people, but I will forever be uncomfortable about it. If they had ever come up with a plan to fix the demons, I would have been okay, but right now, they are just the scapegoats of the show. The really sad thing is, we have never seen a human go to Hell because they had done evil things on earth. In a conversation between Raphael and Castiel it was pretty stated that as long as bad people were "devoted" heaven took them. The only ones who go to Hell are ones who made a deal. The deals we have seen made are 1) John to save Dean 2) Dean to save Sam 3) Robert Johnson for talent 4) The Doctor in Cross Road Blues again for talent and ( ... )

pocochina April 28 2013, 16:47:58 UTC

So most of the deals we have seen are not things people would be condemned to torture for. Heck even the selfish deals were not anything that really warrant the punishment. I actually was fascinated at and pretty okay with how demons were handled in S3 because it was so unfair and amoral. You know? Shit just happens, and sometimes people think that shit makes them a bad person and so they start doing bad things until it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. And I think that is a story that can have a lot of nuance - when someone becomes a danger because of events that weren't their fault, how do you deal with them ( ... )