Y'all have given me unrealistically high expectations for "The Avengers"

Dec 27, 2012 12:00


which I finally got to see yesterday. (Jörg got a crapload of BluRays for Christmas, including this one ( Read more... )

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spiced_wine December 27 2012, 11:19:19 UTC
I did enjoy the Avengers, maybe because despite the squee! superhero films are not really my thing at all. And Kev and I enjoyed Prometheus (we are big Alien fans) and did the same thing after watching, talking about it and all the questions it raised.

b) The "Creators" are doing this whole creation business for a hobby. First they did humanity kinda sorta in their own image, and later on they came up with something superior, i.e. the pretty-much-unkillable killer exosceleton face-hugger chest-burster acid-bleeder alien creatures. And now they simply want to replace the flawed old model by the less flawed new model. It ain't personal.

I could go with that.

I haven't seen the EE, but I will so at some point.

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oloriel December 27 2012, 16:32:05 UTC
I haven't seen the EE, but I will so at some point.

Do! Most of the deleted scenes really add to the story (or at least make things clearer), and I just don't get why they cut them out in the first place.

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nimielle December 27 2012, 11:23:55 UTC
It's ok not liking Avengers. I guess for me it was so awesome, because my friends made me fall in love with Thor and Iron Man first, then we watched Captain America when it came out and just, that was it for me. I have only ever seen that Hulk movie we shall not ever mention again and disliked it so much that I don't ever wanna see a Hulk movie again.

I'm not sure how much sense Avengers makes without having seen Thor and Captain America tbh. I fell in love with Thor, Steve and Loki that way and then you know Tony is amazing.

Going to see it in a large crowd that LOVED the movie might have been the clincher for me though. We were there during opening night and WOW did that blow me away. The audience in the second showing was alright, but not as amazing as the first. I ended up going 7 times with silmarwen_85 and it just made it special, you know? We were so in tune with the things we looked forward to, the things that excited us the most, the things that made us sad? It's like we developed this entire routine of in movie jokes and like we ( ... )

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oloriel December 27 2012, 17:16:09 UTC
I'm not sure how much sense Avengers makes without having seen Thor and Captain America tbh. I fell in love with Thor, Steve and Loki that way and then you know Tony is amazing.

I might as well say "I'm not sure how much sense it makes without having seen The Hulk" ;)! I think it works as a self-contained story. (I don't even know whether Hawkeye and the Black Widow already have their own films? Even without them, it makes sense, doesn't it?)

Thing is, I really enjoyed some of the things that shone through - Cappie's Blast from the Past sort of attitude, Tony, Loki. (I'm not that wowed by Thor, even though this certainly is the nicest version of him I've ever encountered. ;)) The snappy dialogues! But they just weren't enough to make me love the movie. It was like there were various good puzzle pieces, but they just didn't seem to fit. And then there was the Chitauri storyline - worst of it was the Chitauri as the motivation behind Loki (rather than just allies he's using). Aside from that, I can't really put my finger on why I didn ( ... )

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nimielle December 27 2012, 17:36:47 UTC
I dunno, it's like, Loki for instance, he cried and his eyes turned from green to blue in that one moment, were he sees all the destruction around him and then back to blue as the Tesseract takes him over again. I loved the fact that the first helicopter didn't blow up and so many other things. Maybe for me it's because I fell in love with Loki because of people like Effi and just, we put so much thought into him and the other characters it all fit into a larger frame. The thing with the two ravens flying away when Thor and Loki land. BRUCE OMG! BRUCE, I love him and the whole banter between Steve and Tony (I'm such a Steve/Tony fangirl, I don't even know). I'm just not sure if the movie could have made much sense without the backstory from the other movies, you know? For me it was like getting a bunch of people I really liked together and yeah, there was action (And ok, if your geek heard didn'T go "ooooh" at the last Iron Man suit thing I won't be able to understand, because HELL that's some cool tech ( ... )

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oloriel December 27 2012, 17:53:47 UTC
I dunno, it's like, Loki for instance, he cried and his eyes turned from green to blue in that one moment, were he sees all the destruction around him and then back to blue as the Tesseract takes him over again.

That was actually another moment of Meh for me. I mean, he's Loki. He comes with history. I'm fine if he's a nasty trickster all of his own accord; I'm not so impressed by turning him into a teary-eyed softsock. I'd have preferred it indefinitely if he'd really acted from his own accord, all the time. Blah.

(And ok, if your geek heard didn'T go "ooooh" at the last Iron Man suit thing I won't be able to understand, because HELL that's some cool tech)Well, it's established that the Iron Man suit is cool tech. ;) I was more impressed by the way Tony played it. (OK, and Loki's reference to that scene in the end. "If it's all the same to you, I'll have that drink now.") As I said, the banter is great, the characters as such are great, I can't really put a finger on just where exactly the film fell short for me, aside from Loki's ( ... )

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jokergirl December 27 2012, 14:56:42 UTC
*cheers* That's awesome! I'm not a big fan of The Hunger Games myself, but anything that gets a long-time nonreader to read again deserves a cheer in my books.

;D

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oloriel December 27 2012, 16:33:23 UTC
Precisely! He could be reading Twilight or A Song of Ice and Fire and I'd still be excited simply because yay, a soul saved from Booklessness. XD

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indy1776 December 27 2012, 23:45:04 UTC
On Avengers: Loki's backstory makes more sense if you've seen Thor (I saw that after I saw Avengers, and it did help) and if you keep in mind that he's a) not a god and b) a young man. Also, I'm one of those who doesn't believe he was mind controlled, so while he's definitely insane and possibly doing things under duress, he has agency.

But then, that's my opinion, and yours is perfectly valid, too! :)

I'm thrilled Marc found a book he couldn't put down!

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oloriel December 28 2012, 14:33:31 UTC
so while he's definitely insane and possibly doing things under duress, he has agency.

See, but even the duress bit is bothering me. I want him to act all of his own accord, damnit! (And he's definitely considering himself a god, no matter what he actually is, eh?) It just didn't fit for me. :( Yeah, maybe it works better if you know Thor, but ATM I don't really care enough. >_>

I really wanted to like it! :(

Me too! He called again last afternoon to say that he'd finished the book, but was sorry about the unrequited love story, would there be more on that in the following books? I almost cackled. XD

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indy1776 December 28 2012, 15:47:29 UTC
Yeah, I get that.

(And he's definitely considering himself a god, no matter what he actually is, eh?)

Yeah, he does. But as I said: insane. As I read him, he needs to be more, better than everyone around him, because otherwise he's nothing.

I really wanted to like it! :(

It happens; there are things most of my flist likes that I don't.

He called again last afternoon to say that he'd finished the book, but was sorry about the unrequited love story, would there be more on that in the following books? I almost cackled.

HA! I'll confess-- I've only read the first one, and even that one I was relecutant to. I haven't been in the mood for dystopias, and the subject matter (the games) bothers me. But even I know a little about what doesn't happen romantically.

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