Well, she isn't right. Sure, it ruffled some feathers at that time, but music world was moving in that direction anyways It's silly to think that if she didn't do erotica we would not have female rappers talking about pussys or other white girls trying to be provocative
omgggg I remember watching the Blonde Ambition tour on HBO AT MY GRANDPARENTS’ HOUSE and the masturbation simulation during “Like a Virgin” I wanted to shrivel up and die
I'm not disagreeing about her overall impact (and I don't think the poster your replying to is either) but her being White while doing all of this can't be ignored. It's an integral part of why she was able to be mainstream enough to get as much backlash as she did in the first place. The sexuality of non-White women (in the US especially) is not treated the same and progress for white female sexuality and it's expression doesn't always directly translate to it's non-white counterparts. That's exactly why Black female rappers expressing themselves have (arguably) as much if not more relevance to releases like WAP even if they were tamer in comparison to what Madonna was doing.
i mean they absolutely are disagreeing as are many in this thread who i suspect were not around to witness it and are deflecting her cultural importance based on how they view her persona today. and i did acknowledge her privilege, as did madonna herself at the time. she has stated many times in her interviews that she was using her platform as the most famous women in the world to bring light to a lot of social causes. her work on AIDS crisis alone at the height of the pandemic, when no other pop star would go near it let alone acknowledge it, is commendable. and diversity in her shows was unprecedented in the mainstream media at the time. just look at her blonde ambition tour. the only other white person on stage beside herself was one of her background vocalists. i mean we can debate about this until the cows come home, but it won't change the fact that she used her position to do good. and good she did. and if the black female artists are saying themselves that madonna kicked the door wide open for them, why are we debating it.
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yeah, this is definitely a conversation young ontd needs to sit down for. if you weren't witnessing this (from inside the womb, like myself), you do not get how controversial she was and the impact she had.
us negroes weren't paying attention to her like that though since we had both female and male singers like Donna Summer, Millie Jackson, Sylvester, Prince, Rick James, Diana Ross, Minnie Ripperton, etc who were out here doing their thing before and after madonna and opened doors for black female artists to push the boundaries aesthetically and thematically. And then Janet came out with the velvet rope which for us is WAY more influential than the SEX book tbh. Like I love Madonna and not denying her impact but please there are many other references that opened the doors for women and members of the lgbt communitty to push the boundaries (Sylvester and Luther Vandross being HUGE in the gay community). Also like I think it's generational too like of course women like Riri and Beyoncé will reference Madonna since they are also pop acts but Beyoncé's entire structure is based on Ike Turner and Tina Turner while Rihanna has mostly lifted from Kelis tbh.
Speaking of Beyonce, this is what she had to say about Madonna recently: “Thank you, Queen. I am so grateful for you. You have opened so many doors for so many women. You are a masterpiece genius.”
Obviously it goes without saying that countless other artists pushed the enveloped before/after Madonna and have helped shape careers of artists like Beyonce, but to deny Madonna's overall impact in mainstream pop is just negationism at this point.
i give madonna a lot of props but she didn't spearhead it? she got to follow in donna summer's footsteps tbh not to mnetion a league of other disco artists
She spearheaded the mainstream pop as we know it today. Donna Summer is an icon but her career was practically over by early 80s when the disco era died out.
this is such a bizarre way to view music and influence, donna summer and many other legends before her might have stopped ~getting top 40 hits but that doesn't mean they didn't influence current artists
without donna and sylvester and teena marie, you would not have madonna
She spearheaded the mainstream pop as we know it today. Donna Summer is an icon but her career was practically over by early 80s when the disco era died out.
this is your exact comment. and it feels strange to say when beyonce literally just sampled donna!
i think a lot of mainstream pop can count donna and disco among their influences including madonna
Sure, it ruffled some feathers at that time, but music world was moving in that direction anyways
It's silly to think that if she didn't do erotica we would not have female rappers talking about pussys or other white girls trying to be provocative
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Speaking of Beyonce, this is what she had to say about Madonna recently: “Thank you, Queen. I am so grateful for you. You have opened so many doors for so many women. You are a masterpiece genius.”
Obviously it goes without saying that countless other artists pushed the enveloped before/after Madonna and have helped shape careers of artists like Beyonce, but to deny Madonna's overall impact in mainstream pop is just negationism at this point.
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without donna and sylvester and teena marie, you would not have madonna
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and where did i say otherwise? you need to re-read comments in this thread because you're way off base here with your critique.
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this is your exact comment. and it feels strange to say when beyonce literally just sampled donna!
i think a lot of mainstream pop can count donna and disco among their influences including madonna
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