Spot the Irony

[naamah_darling]

Original Poster: I'm tolerant of most opinions, but I just can't respect pro-lifers.

Me: Right there with you. But, then, why should I? They have no respect for me as a woman.

Random Person: Speaking as a pro-life woman over here - it's not that we have no respect for women. We just place a life, or potential for life, above comfort. Does that

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[pink_porcupette]

I hate the argument that denying abortion is okay, because it is allowing one 'person' to live while 'merely' causing discomfort/ an inconvenience to another. If that is okay then why have I never come across an anti-choicer who is in favor of forced organ donations? Hey, it may be a big inconvenience to someone to take one of their kidneys or lungs against their will, and it may cause them discomfort and pain, and the possibility of health problems in the future, but it will allow someone else to live and that makes everything A-OK, right?

[liminalia]

I may just use that argument next time.

[pink_porcupette]

They never have an answer when I ask them why not forced organ donations. All I've even gotten are excuses about how it sooooo different, and pregnancy is such a *unique* situation so it's okay to force a woman to have her organs used in a way she doesn't want.
One stupid cow told me it is okay because a fetus is innocent, so it should be put first. I asked her if it would be okay to force people to give up their organs for small children, who surely must still be "innocent"... she avoided that question and basically told me what a misguided person I am and how I'm going to hell.

[vivian_shaw]

They never have an answer when I ask them why not forced organ donations.

This may be the single most brilliant position I've come across in the complex world of arguing-with-morons. Also, they need to define "innocent" and at what point an individual goes from being "innocent" (i.e. superior to others) to "non-innocent" or "experienced" (i.e. inferior to the innocent and fair game for organ harvest/forced use of organs). I'm betting it's when kids stop being "cute" and start using sentences.

[ysabel]

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[naamah_darling]

Ah . . . ljsecret. One of the more recent posts.

"You're not like the other girls!"

[ginmar]

Every scary woman I've noticed or known has this delusion: "Women suck, just not me." Ann Coulter. Phyllis Schlafly. Camille Paglia. And so forth.

[hugh_mannity]

The essential errors of the "pro-life" position are that

[tacky_tramp]

I have yet to understand why a barely differentiated clump of cells which is incapable of independent existence has a "superior right to live" over the rights of other already living human beings. This is magical thinking of the most egregious sort.

It's not magical thinking -- it's metaphysical thinking. When one believes that human lives are sacred and inviolable because they have souls, and one believes that fetuses and embryos have souls, then destroying a fetus is morally equivalent to shooting a person in the face. This is why it's so difficult to change anti-choicers' minds on this issue. The root of their political belief has no basis in observable reality, so it does no good to offer them facts about embryos development and so on. You'd have to convince them that the soul enters the body at birth. And good luck with that.

[tacky_tramp]

Depends who you ask. In the Tanakh/Old Testament, God tells one of the prophets that he "knew him in the womb" or some such, so many Christians take that to mean that you have a soul from conception. IIRC.

[elialshadowpine]

Yeesh.

I knew a girl who had that attitude on one of the forums I frequented. Oddly, it was a board with a strong feminist slant. She was not very well liked until she learned not to step on people's feet (like posting she believed anybody who wasn't her brand of Christian wasn't "saved" for one... let's not touch the abortion issue, that was not pretty).

I don't have a problem with the people who call themselves "pro-life" in the sense that they would rather people not have abortions, but understand that it is sometimes necessary. And that it's none of their business to tell someone else what to do with their body.

The utter hypocrisy of most pro-lifers is what bugs the hell out of me (not that telling somebody else what to do with their body doesn't). Don't abort... but it's all on you if you do have the child. I've known parents that had to divorce so the mother could get welfare from the state to help care for the child, because no so-called pro-life church was willing to help them. For people that are supposedly so caring

[ginmar]

Let's count the kids the anti-choice people have and then ask them if that's really all the sex they'd ever had. I dare you.

[elialshadowpine]

Yeah, but then we'd probably be stuck cleaning up the mess from the exploding heads....

[ginmar]

I wonder about Leslie Unruh. She's the freaky scary person who's lied about her own abortion history in order to push measures in N. and S. Dakota that ban abortion entirely. And she's scarily obsessed with her daughter's sexuality. "Abstinence works, people. I'm here to tell you. My daughter's first kiss was at the altar." Well, I bet her daughter just loves the fact that that's how her mother talks about her.

And it appears that Unruh lied about her own abortion, surprise, surprise. It looks like she left one relationship pregnant and aborted that fetus when she met a new man. But that's not the story she tells. It's really interesting. At one of her weddings, she was three months pregnant.

Frankly, if anybody needs to be having abortions, it's the scary freaky no choice people, because can't you just imagine how much they love those unwanted kids?

And also, why are they so fucking stupid? Ever tried arguing with one? "Birth control causes abortion!" "No, here's why not...." "WHORISH PROPAGANDA!" And so forth.