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beloved_77 March 15 2012, 17:00:31 UTC
she acts as real Buffy

You know, that's a good point. I hadn't thought about it, but the original Buffybot acted nothing like the real Buffy. She could slay and had Buffy's knowledge of her friends and family, but her personality (robot-ality? :-P) was very Stepford. Of course, Warren programed her that way; but I don't think a robot could be programed well enough to exactly emulate a specific human's personality. The robot we see here has the real Buffy's exact personality.

the switch has happened between #6 and #7

I'm leaning mostly toward that, as well. When Spike asks Buffy if she meant what she said in issue #6, he says it was "the other night," not last night. So, there's been at least one night between numbers 6 and 7, which would give time for the switch.

many people are unhappy with themI think they were very Buffy and Spike. In other words, Spike expressing exactly how he feels, and Buffy putting her stylish, yet affordable boot in her mouth. :-P The only way I'd be unhappy with them is if it turns out that it ( ... )

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moscow_watcher March 15 2012, 18:34:06 UTC
The only way I'd be unhappy with them is if it turns out that it wasn't the real Buffy's consciousness at all, just the robot. It would completely negate anything that happened, and I would not be a happy camper. >:-(

I don't think they could waste a whole issue on a non-Buffy. It just doesn't make sense.

There have been a number of states that are trying to change their abortion laws recently. So, it's sort of a hot-button issue right now.

Oh, I see. Sometimes I think that only we, Russians, have really serious problems - like total corruption in all governmental structures, including police, courts and media. But, obviously, you guys have your own share of problems. :(

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rebcake March 15 2012, 17:25:00 UTC
Well, San Francisco looked very nice. The bugs and sockets were funny. I'm really not sure how I feel about anything else.

Personally, I'd be happier if Spike guarded his heart a bit more. The whole "no slaying for pregnant ladies" was weird characterization for both characters. 1) Spike might say it, though he's usually smarter than that. He has occasionally done the old-fashioned chivalry thing without thinking. 2) Buffy would never capitulate on such a point. And I don't mean agreeing and then doing what she wants anyway. I mean it would raise her hackles like whoa and is not the kind of thing she backs away from ever.

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moscow_watcher March 15 2012, 19:55:13 UTC
Personally, I'd be happier if Spike guarded his heart a bit more.

Yes, me too - but at the same time I know that one of the reasons I love him so much is because he wears his heart on his sleeve. Poor Spikey...

The whole "no slaying for pregnant ladies" was weird characterization for both characters. 1) Spike might say it, though he's usually smarter than that. He has occasionally done the old-fashioned chivalry thing without thinking. 2) Buffy would never capitulate on such a point. And I don't mean agreeing and then doing what she wants anyway. I mean it would raise her hackles like whoa and is not the kind of thing she backs away from ever.

I may be terribly old-fashioned, but I have much stronger feelings about pregnant Nikki's Cruciamentum. To me, parental duty is more important that civil duty. So, I'm torn here. On one hand, I find Spike's chivalry touching, on the other hand, I understand Buffy's frustration.

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boot_the_grime March 15 2012, 23:18:43 UTC
I wouldn't say she agreed - the last we see of that discussion is her angry look. Maybe Spike left in the middle of the argument or she wasn't in the mood to keep arguing.

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boot_the_grime March 15 2012, 23:14:25 UTC
I don't agree on the happy ending - I agree that it would have been too fast and they're going to drag it along, but two characters in love kissing after one of them has made a declaration of love (or even after both of them have made it) does not a happy ending make. The whole issue is whether it's possible to make the relationship work, for a multitude of reasons. They haven't even resolved the conversation they were having, since Buffy didn't get to explain how she felt, and whether she even wants "normal" that Spike thinks she does. I don't think she does. And if she did and if she were really rejecting Spike as he thought she was - which is really unlikely considering her gestures and expression and the context - it's not like she would have changed her mind instantly just because Spike said he wanted normal life and could give it to her? But really, I don't think "normal" would work for Buffy, I don't want Spike to be "normal" and I don't know if they're even able to do have a "normal" life even if they want to.

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moscow_watcher March 16 2012, 15:25:05 UTC
two characters in love kissing after one of them has made a declaration of love (or even after both of them have made it) does not a happy ending make.

Yes, but it radically lessens the scale of possible conflicts. And it's conflicts that drive the narrative - so Joss won't go there, I think. But there will be a lot of teasing and baiting - both in the text and in interviews.

(I'm reading the #7 thread on Buffyforums, and it's entertaining and frustrating at the same time. I don't remember such strong reaction since 2002. Even space-frak didn't divide the fandom that much.)

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boot_the_grime March 16 2012, 18:00:58 UTC
Rahirah sums up my feelings on the matter here: http://rahirah.livejournal.com/543895.html

There are lots of conflicts to drive the narrative even if you're writing about two relatively ordinary people trying to make a relationship work long-term and dealing with real life - let alone if your couple are Slayer and vampire, where the question "can they make it work" is such an obvious source of conflict that can be milked for drama and comedy.

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moscow_watcher March 16 2012, 18:29:14 UTC
Yes, I read her post, and my hands were itching to reply, but I decided against it, because my disagreements go beyond characters dynamics. I think (I may be wrong) that, for Joss, Buffy is mostly a tragic hero, with occasional comedic elements. She exists only within these two "royal" genres - tragedy and comedy. She doesn't belong to domestic drama. Her story is about impossible choices, terrible sacrifices and ultimate loneliness.

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