So, I've spent a while trying to figure out how I feel about the finale, and I'm pretty much with you on handwaving the last three seasons. Like you, I don't really see Nine/Rose and Ten/Rose as the same. I just... don't. I kept hoping that I would, that Ten/Rose would recapture the magic of Nine/Rose, but it didn't. It just never felt the same.
Where we differ is that I don't see Nine and Ten as the same person. To be honest, I never really have. I could buy it in "The Christmas Invasion"; I actually really liked the final scene where Ten reaches for Rose's hand and tells her that "It is gonna be fantastic". But he lost me after that. Since then, I've never been able to see him as the natural evolution of Nine's character. More than that, I don't like thinking of him as that natural evolution. I think that Nine was a more moral and responsible character and that Ten shows more signs of being a regression. It's just... Nine grew and evolved so much in the first season. His love for Rose and the compassion she tought him
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Where we differ is that I don’t see Nine and Ten as the same person.
Well, seeing them as the same person doesn’t mean that I see them as the same character, if that makes any sense. They have the same backstory, but they have completely different character arcs. That’s one of the reasons I see season one and the later seasons as separate stories.
But that’s when I’m looking at it from the outside-when the answer to “Why are Nine and Ten so different?” is “RTD got bored.” I needed an in-story reason, too, and this was the only one I could think of. (Which doesn’t mean I like it, anymore than I like Rose’s post-“Parting of the Ways” amnesia.)
I think you’re right to say that Ten was born out of mercy, though I might’ve said love and self-sacrifice, instead. But that also means that those are what killed Nine. So it almost makes sense to me that Ten would be less merciful. (Almost
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But that also means that those are what killed Nine. So it almost makes sense to me that Ten would be less merciful. (Almost.)
If you go with this inoculation theory, yes. But I still don't like it. I don't like that The Lonely God is what spawned from Nine's sacrifice. I wanted to see that character continue to learn and grow, with Rose showing him the way. I wanted a real continuation of the story we were told in season one. But like I said before, I feel like, in some ways, Ten is a regression. His hubris and hypocrisy anger me, and I think he's squandering the second chance Nine's sacrifice gave him, which upsets me even more. So... I'm okay with pretending that Ten II does a better job of it.
I don't like that The Lonely God is what spawned from Nine's sacrifice. I wanted to see that character continue to learn and grow, with Rose showing him the way. I wanted a real continuation of the story we were told in season one. But like I said before, I feel like, in some ways, Ten is a regression. His hubris and hypocrisy anger me, and I think he's squandering the second chance Nine's sacrifice gave him, which upsets me even more.
^THIS. I'm so disappointed they didn't continue with the S1 storyline. I want Nine back. Or even just a really well written Nine/Rose AU. ;_;
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Where we differ is that I don't see Nine and Ten as the same person. To be honest, I never really have. I could buy it in "The Christmas Invasion"; I actually really liked the final scene where Ten reaches for Rose's hand and tells her that "It is gonna be fantastic". But he lost me after that. Since then, I've never been able to see him as the natural evolution of Nine's character. More than that, I don't like thinking of him as that natural evolution. I think that Nine was a more moral and responsible character and that Ten shows more signs of being a regression. It's just... Nine grew and evolved so much in the first season. His love for Rose and the compassion she tought him ( ... )
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Well, seeing them as the same person doesn’t mean that I see them as the same character, if that makes any sense. They have the same backstory, but they have completely different character arcs. That’s one of the reasons I see season one and the later seasons as separate stories.
But that’s when I’m looking at it from the outside-when the answer to “Why are Nine and Ten so different?” is “RTD got bored.” I needed an in-story reason, too, and this was the only one I could think of. (Which doesn’t mean I like it, anymore than I like Rose’s post-“Parting of the Ways” amnesia.)
I think you’re right to say that Ten was born out of mercy, though I might’ve said love and self-sacrifice, instead. But that also means that those are what killed Nine. So it almost makes sense to me that Ten would be less merciful. (Almost ( ... )
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If you go with this inoculation theory, yes. But I still don't like it. I don't like that The Lonely God is what spawned from Nine's sacrifice. I wanted to see that character continue to learn and grow, with Rose showing him the way. I wanted a real continuation of the story we were told in season one. But like I said before, I feel like, in some ways, Ten is a regression. His hubris and hypocrisy anger me, and I think he's squandering the second chance Nine's sacrifice gave him, which upsets me even more. So... I'm okay with pretending that Ten II does a better job of it.
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^THIS. I'm so disappointed they didn't continue with the S1 storyline. I want Nine back. Or even just a really well written Nine/Rose AU. ;_;
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