The Afghanistan war of the West ends with defeat

[matrixmann]

As much as the Afghanistan war remained an apple of discord throughout the whole time of the 20 years the occupation of the Western troops lasted because of the shady reasons it was started with, it also simultaneously and silently became a train you couldn’t just jump off anymore and quit tomorrow.

Now with their departure, the tactical and

Comments

[maadmike]

I wouldn't call this retreat as a total defeat. Yes, if to look on USA as on ordinary national country then, yes, it's strange what were their goals there to start with... to seize Usama - it's a laugh cause he wasn't even there, to fight terrorism - it's a laugh cause all know very well Americans were standing behind nearly all late terrorism groups as Taliban they were organized against USSR as ISIS they were figting with for years and spent billions of dollars only Hollywood maybe knows where and for what, as a vengeance fot 9.11 - it's again a laugh cause all know they were organized 9.11 by themselves to earn on double terrorism insurance and to start a war for oil...
So, it was a war but a business project for money laundering and if to look on this war in this respect even if not to mention how many drugs were produced at Afghanistan and transported out by USA control, if simply to look on how many money for spent for nowhere this project will play with other bright lights...

[matrixmann]

Well, if to be exact, then it's an official retreat followed by a rollback towards the way things were before the military endeavor. - In the end, it's to become the same result.

How to judge this further, I guess, time will tell.
Because it will be a question what this rolback will cause in the surrounding countries and areas. You see, after ISIS needed to withdraw from Syria, this now is a signal that strengthens the extreme and violently enforced forms of Islam. This will also be observed by other people with the same mindset.
What are they doing to do with that...?
Exactly that will be a question of time...

[maadmike]

"In the end, it's to become the same result."

Again, in the end how much money were spent? Billions? If to remember how US corruption sistem work in a case of Biden stolen money at laughable Ukrainian deals when we could imagine how much Americans unstoppably printed money were stolen as at Syria as in Afghanistan...
So, no things are not at the same result, at least not for USA. Yes, of course, dollar is not their national currency if to take in account that government borrowing it from private company and anyway, strangly Americans in debts for all these games...

[matrixmann]

A lot of costs already come together because the campaign lasted for ca. 20 years.
Syria doesn't have that duration yet, although I can imagine it could even get more costly because - how much did they invest in all those dozens and dozens of militant Islamist groups?
(And then, the US even had its own costly "training program", which send only a hand full of fighters off to Syria, but cost a ton, compared to the result.)
I think, even years ago, the talk was already about "billions". - Very, very lots of financial debt to the Saudi royal family... (Even their Afghanistan support campaign in the 80s already had to be financed by the Saud family because the US was too poor on its own.)
And Saudi Arabia wasn't the only country they involved in please doing the war for them. Turkey, for example, still didn't receive its promised piece of the cake, and that's why they keep going in this mess too. Silently pushing forward wherever they can.