Questions for Wikipedia

May 12, 2006 23:00

I've gone and organized Crowley and Zira's pages. They've raised questions . . .

1: Can anyone find the "Crowley" British construction company? A website, an invoice, anything?

2: Is Ligur a Duke? Do we even know his rank?

3: Is there a passage in the book that specifically talks about why Crowley Fell?4: As for Zira, can someone give me a ( Read more... )

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glitter_my_glam May 13 2006, 04:08:59 UTC
Didn't they mention that Crowley didn't really do anything, he was just guilty bu association? Or maybe that was just a fic I read...

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daegaer May 13 2006, 04:15:14 UTC
You're right, that's what the book says:

He'd been an angel once. He hadn't meant to Fall. He'd just hung around with the wrong people.

Note, though that this is from Crowley's point of view and he almost always thinks the best of himself and his actions.

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sailorptah May 13 2006, 04:28:24 UTC
Excellent! Thanks <3

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daegaer May 13 2006, 09:02:58 UTC
You're welcome!

You might also want to fix the incorrect information that Crowley "frequently" refers to Aziraphale as "angel" when speaking to him. In fact he only does this twice in the whole book, both at time when he is irritated with Aziraphale/irritated with his situation.

First, in the discussion about the hellhound that will arrive on the antichrist's birthday:

Crowley stood up suddenly, treading on the foot of a Bulgarian cultural Attaché, who was talking animatedly to the Keeper of Her Majesty's Antiques. "Nobody's going to notice anything out of the ordinary. It's reality, angel. And young Warlock can do what he wants to that, whether he knows it or not."

Then, when Aziraphale makes him pick up Anathema on the way to Tadfield manor, and delays even more after they deliver her home:

"Can we get on?" said Crowley. "Goodnight, miss. Get in, angel."Both Crowley and Aziraphale use each other's names in a perfectly normal conversational way, it seems to me - I know I certainly don't use another person's name throughout a ( ... )

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quantum_witch May 13 2006, 05:08:34 UTC
Here's proof of the Crowley construction company.
Took this pic in London last month.

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sailorptah May 13 2006, 05:16:47 UTC
Brilliant.

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quantum_witch May 13 2006, 05:29:02 UTC
Oh yes, and these as well.

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ajodasso May 13 2006, 07:44:31 UTC
...except that construction company has nothing to do with Crowley except coincidentally sharing his name. Why include it in the article?

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onefrabjousday May 13 2006, 05:26:33 UTC
Another tidbit: Crowley's collection of "Soul Music". It's said that it doesn't have James Brown in it, because it is "real" soul music.

Neil Gaiman said he was watching pornography. You can find it on his most recent blog post, actually.

I think it's said somewhere that both Ligur and Hastur are Dukes of Hell.

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sailorptah May 13 2006, 05:41:06 UTC
Soul music. Got it.

You'll have to link the post, because I'm looking at his most recent one and there's nothing GO in it. He mentions it in the post that talks about the slash - is that what you're referring to?

Ooh, it says Ligur's a Duke in the Dramatis Personae. That helps.

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dancing_moon May 13 2006, 07:30:24 UTC
There (was before reconstruction) a pretty good search enginge on Gaiman's blog. If you search for Crowley, Good Omens etc more interesting things may pop up

And for Terry Prattchett info, see
http://www.lspace.org/about-terry/interviews/index.html - List of interviews
http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/good-omens.html - Good Omens annotations. Very much fun trivia

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sailorptah May 14 2006, 20:44:07 UTC
Most excellent.

Can't find Zira or Crowley addressed in any of the interviews, but there are a couple of depressing sentiments that keep coming up: "we don't want to do a sequel" and "there's probably never going to be a good movie." Sigh.

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kanoodle May 13 2006, 06:47:57 UTC
1: Can anyone find the "Crowley" British construction company? A website, an invoice, anything?

Here's the company's website.

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synekdokee May 13 2006, 10:45:48 UTC
It is also possible that Crowley's name comes from a British construction company of the same name

Or anything else that has "Crowley" in it, and could be linked to the book. I don't think it's a terribly good idea to include that.

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