Ke$ha Day 2

[koganbot]

I was with friends at Tokyo Joe's this evening, a quasi fast-food Japanese joint, and music was piped-in, adding noise to a place already full of crowd noise. Not sure what the purpose of the music is, since it's not loud enough to help create the ambience. Perhaps by adding more noise to the noise it provides cover for people who don't want the

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The girl who put the FUN back into dysfunctional

[koganbot]

OK, now, POTENTIAL INSIGHT!

Both Ke$ha and Ying Yang Twins are making a big thing of their behavior's dysfunction as part of what makes it fun. Ying Yang Twins: "Got so drunk he fucked the floor! FUCKED THE FLOOR? Yeah, fucked the floor." But my initial impression (more from reading what others are saying than from my own research into and pondering of the matter), is that Ke$ha is willing to wave DYSFUNCTION as a banner, not in sadness but in pride for how far over the edge she'll go, while for the Ying Yangs it's the over the top and onto the floor FUN that they're waving. The Ying Yangs are regular old partying taken to extremes, while Ke$ha is EXTREME PARTYING.

Do you think that holds as a distinction?

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[skyecaptain]

I'd agree that Ke$ha is doing something that is not "regular old partying," but I'm not sure I'd call the distinction "Extreme Partying" by any means. She hasn't pushed partying into some new area, but rather approaches partying from a bizarre vantage point, from which partying becomes "partying." Part of my fascination with her is that I still hear a party even though logic is telling me that she doesn't quite understand what a party actually is. And it's in this disconnect that I'm projecting something like sadness (here is someone rendered pathetic by their pursuit for fun -- someone who doesn't really sound like they're having any fun at all).

There's a kind of alchemy happening, wherein the content that tells me that this person has no understanding of actual joy beyond accidental weirdness or cliche (which is not something I'd ever claim of Ying Yang Twins) is still inspiring actual joy in me. There's a difference from the other Lukeites, who sound like they're dressing up (poorly, in my opinion, but that's not really the

Re: The girl who put the FUN back into dysfunctional

[koganbot]

Instead of "extreme partying," maybe... well, I think what I'm trying to get at is that she is willing to go to any lengths and suffer any consequences to have her party, and then try to make that seem like a virtue, make the vomit the symbol of the good time. (If that's true. Still haven't delved into the words much.) A crack ho also goes to any lengths, but probably doesn't parade then parade the degradation as an emblem of the experience's fun and value. (Well, I wouldn't know. Haven't done a survey of crack ho's recently.)

So, what would be the right term for what seems a determinedly low-rent way of going to any lengths and suffering any consequences to have her party, and then trying to make that a virtue, the vomit being the symbol of the good time?

("Hungover" wouldn't fit this, but it's mediocre, so let's forget it.)

Re: The girl who put the FUN back into dysfunctional

[skyecaptain]

Hmmm. Well, what you're describing is something like a gas-huffer, really! But I guess you're also describing something like a Midas touch -- take all the ugliness and all the generally-badness (this includes cliche as much as it includes vomit) and turn it into PARTY. All signs point to party, become a feature of that party. Where most people have a party, Ke$ha seems to be in possession (or in the jaws of) a PARTY MONSTER.

So inadvertently (I presume) her generic title takes on an interesting meaning -- the party itself (not Ke$ha) is the wild animal. She's the hapless person who thinks she's controlling the damn thing, without realizing that being carried in its jaws is not necessarily the same thing as riding it.