The Failure of Feminism to Fight Muslim Misogyny

[jordan179]

I was pointed to this excellent essay by erudito in his post "Clive James on the Veil of Silence" (http://erudito.livejournal.com/872182.html).

From "A Veil of Silence," by Clive James in Standpoint (http://standpointmag.co.uk/ ( Read more... )

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[mrbogey]

Charles Napier had the right idea.

"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."

[dogmaticus]

Sorry a bit too much to read right this second.. however, I'll make a simple comment based on the subject.

Is Misogyny the right word? Muslim men don't appear to "hate" women at all, or there wouldn't be so many little ones running around (Oh they blow up so fast). Gynophobia is more accurate, it's a fear of women, or what women are capable of. The only way to conquer that fear is to control...

I know I"m splitting hairs, but what the hell it's only LJ.

[irked_indeed]

Granted that Islam is contemptuous of women, I think it's a bit presumptuous to assert it is afraid of them. There are other reasons to seek to control something: convenience, to name just one.

[jordan179]

Is Misogyny the right word? Muslim men don't appear to "hate" women at all, or there wouldn't be so many little ones running around (Oh they blow up so fast). Gynophobia is more accurate, it's a fear of women, or what women are capable of. The only way to conquer that fear is to control...

It's a combination of both. If I wanted to be precise I'd say that Muslims despise women, in a way which patriarchal religions often promote, and with a purity that stems from the near-complete lack of self-criticism in Islam.

The White Man's Burden

[lather2002]

Take up the White man's burden

[kitten_goddess]

I also see a ton of racism in this whole "pro-Third World" ideology. Because they are black or brown, the female victims aren't worth as much as white Western females.

Calling them out publicly, loudly, and repeatedly on their racism should make these people move pretty damn quick. This would be particuarly effective if the calling out were done by non-white feminists.

[ford_prefect42]

Eh. How much do you hear about the women abused in bosnia or chechnya? Those are white.

[jordan179]

I think it's less a matter of race than of culture, with the Western academic feminists assuming that whoever leads the least Western group must be the most correct, and lazily accepting as "the nature of things" that it be Muslim men who have the voice.

[jordan179]

I also see a ton of racism in this whole "pro-Third World" ideology. Because they are black or brown, the female victims aren't worth as much as white Western females.

Very much the case, though note that this is for values of "brown" that include "Arab." One of the West's unexamined but wholly irrational attitudes, stemming from colonialism and then the anti-colonialist reaction, is the pretense that Arabs and Berbers aren't Caucasians. This was exploited in the 19th and early 20th centuries to justify the conquest and protracted occupation of North African and Arab lands, and again in the mid 20th century to present to justify siding with the inhabitants of such lands even when their behavior was patently atrocious.

Calling them out publicly, loudly, and repeatedly on their racism should make these people move pretty damn quick. This would be particuarly effective if the calling out were done by non-white feminists.

I think that this has already started -- but the Western academic feminists have so far responded by sticking

[sekhmetsat]

i agree "feminists" won't do crap. The ONLY ones i hear bitching are the Dianics, and NO ONE listens to them.