I totally agree with your analysis of what's going on with Sam. He's always been a guy who has a self-sufficiency about him (which I attribute to Dean's dedication in raising him) and while he is devastated, first by Bobby's speech, and then by Dean's, he is not going to lay down and die.
I was thinking how interesting Dean's inability to forgive is as a reflection of Dean's growth. Perhaps it indicates that Dean has acquired an iota of self-esteem? If he was a guy with no self-esteem, how could he look Sam in the eye and risk losing him?
In short, I love that they've chosen to take Sam and Dean this way, even though some people are going to be upset.
and Dean as Michael's vessel...oh, God, yes. LOVES. Will Dean be able to refuse to become what is basically anathema to everything he believes in and everything he is -- a merciless, pitiless being that strikes without feeling, with no sense of personal connection? And if he does refuse, how can they then take out Lucifer?
Ohh your thoughts on Dean's growth got me thinking. I think maybe their last fight is what might have done it. I mean Dean basically laid out his apologies (via phone [in lucifer rising]) and Sam still did the wrong thing, but I think Dean's speech of things not being okay (in 5x01) goes to show that Dean's not being a whiny bitch and taking Sam's crap, perhaps because Sam disregarded (and disrespected) Dean's phone apology to him. Or this is what I think Dean is thinking because he doesn't know that the phone message is false. That being said I can see where eventually Dean has to have had enough, and maybe Sam ignoring his wishes (apology) was enough.
Yep that aspect was the main in the ep for me too. Sam's lack of guilt about what he did to Dean and Dean's (finally!!!) strength to say what he felt and not letting Sam off the hook. Go, Dean! I'm excited to see his growth.
I think if Sam has the capacity to be a vessel, he's still not in the running to be Michael's vessel - that goes only to the Righteous Man of the prophecy.
I'm beginning to wonder if there aren't guidelines to which vessel-able humans fit particular angels. Will just any meatsuit do, or do certain angels require certain types of vessels - the implication is that Lucifer was on the hunt for a specific type, and Zachariah wouldn't be bothering with Dean if Michael could just snatch up any old brand of condom, so my guess is that at least with the heavy hitters, the answer is yes.
And this is a wonderful turning point for Sam. Sam's always been sorry, but it's never stopped him from doing as he will anyway; in that, he's similar to his father. But now Sam has reached a point where he's done the unthinkable, and is facing the unimaginable as a consequence: Dean can't forgive him, and won't pretend everything's the same as it's always been. Dean's refusal is the catalyst for Sam being able to change, finally.
It also makes me wonder slightly if Sam trying to be the boss and take charge and trying to say what's what with Ruby and then it all blowing up in his face will impact his decisions to take charge. It makes me wonder if Sam will be more submissive because the last time he decided to do his own thing he was wrong, like the biggest kind of wrong there is. In this I think only time will tell.
Anyway, enough of my ramblings. Thank you for stating your thoughts, it got my own flowing. ;)The really sad thing is that EVERY TIME Sam tries to take charge of his life it blows up in his face. He decides to go to Stanford, and all he gets is a dead girlfriend. He decides to put away his vengeance and not kill John, letting the YED go, and John sells his soul and dies anyway. He decides to not give into the YED, dies as a result and Dean sells his soul to take away his decision. He decided to do the "right" thing and not develop his powers to save Dean and Dean goes to Hell anyway. He decides to use his powers so that at least something good
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I was thinking how interesting Dean's inability to forgive is as a reflection of Dean's growth. Perhaps it indicates that Dean has acquired an iota of self-esteem? If he was a guy with no self-esteem, how could he look Sam in the eye and risk losing him?
In short, I love that they've chosen to take Sam and Dean this way, even though some people are going to be upset.
and Dean as Michael's vessel...oh, God, yes. LOVES. Will Dean be able to refuse to become what is basically anathema to everything he believes in and everything he is -- a merciless, pitiless being that strikes without feeling, with no sense of personal connection? And if he does refuse, how can they then take out Lucifer?
Oh, yes, I am excited.
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Does that even make sense? Lol.
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I'm beginning to wonder if there aren't guidelines to which vessel-able humans fit particular angels. Will just any meatsuit do, or do certain angels require certain types of vessels - the implication is that Lucifer was on the hunt for a specific type, and Zachariah wouldn't be bothering with Dean if Michael could just snatch up any old brand of condom, so my guess is that at least with the heavy hitters, the answer is yes.
And this is a wonderful turning point for Sam. Sam's always been sorry, but it's never stopped him from doing as he will anyway; in that, he's similar to his father. But now Sam has reached a point where he's done the unthinkable, and is facing the unimaginable as a consequence: Dean can't forgive him, and won't pretend everything's the same as it's always been. Dean's refusal is the catalyst for Sam being able to change, finally.
(Caaaaaaaaas ♥)
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Anyway, enough of my ramblings. Thank you for stating your thoughts, it got my own flowing. ;)The really sad thing is that EVERY TIME Sam tries to take charge of his life it blows up in his face. He decides to go to Stanford, and all he gets is a dead girlfriend. He decides to put away his vengeance and not kill John, letting the YED go, and John sells his soul and dies anyway. He decides to not give into the YED, dies as a result and Dean sells his soul to take away his decision. He decided to do the "right" thing and not develop his powers to save Dean and Dean goes to Hell anyway. He decides to use his powers so that at least something good ( ... )
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