A Lesson Learned

[goldvermilion87]

(At least for the moment)

(And from an unusual source)

Comments

[imbecamiel]

I do like reading your perspectives on things like this! Very well put. I absolutely love that C.S. Lewis quote too. It frustrates me to no end that no one can seem to conceive of any close relationship that doesn't "inevitably" lead to sex. It makes it so much more difficult to even discuss a lot of aspects of those friendships.

Also, yes. I am totally with you on the weirdness of Spock being in a relationship. And kissing Uhura. With witnesses present. Just... come on. If they had to go there, they could've at least taken a little longer to properly establish the characters, because it's weird to see it treated as if this isn't really strange coming from Spock.

(Aw, I can't remember now if I read that "non-slash slash" post, though, and the link doesn't seem to be working.)

[goldvermilion87]

Oh, I had accidentally added something into the link itself. Here is the link:

http://goldvermilion87.livejournal.com/160413.html

But I think I fixed the problem in the post.

[litlover12]

Alas, though, one has to be careful with the David and Jonathan arguments these days, as there are those who fervently argue that they were homosexual too. Just more proof of that very profound Lewis quote (as if more were needed).

Your arguments are good ones, though, and you should hang onto them. I can't tell you how many Christians are out there arguing that companionship in marriage really isn't that important. It's maddening.

[goldvermilion87]

Ugh. I know about Jonathan and David. They're just one more casualty. I didn't so much want to use them as proof that Kirk and Spock aren't homosexual. I think if you don't realize that they're not (in both cases) I can't really help you. I more see Jonathan and David as a validation and example of that love surpassing the love of women as a possible relationship. Of course, since both were married, I do think that they still had marriages that God overlooked, though they were not the wonderful thing he created (not that we needed proof given David's number of wives).

Plus,it's an easier way to explain the concept than to run though thousands of years of history. :P

And I don't see how a Christian could possibly argue that companionship isn't important. Marriage reflects Christ and the church! So sad to think some don't realize what an amazing and beautiful thing that is.

[goldvermilion87]

It rings a bell, but I'm not sure I've read it in its entirety before. Thanks!

[labourslamp]

** Grow up, get married, and have 13 friggin' babies.

[goldvermilion87]

THIRTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:-D

[eavis]

Oh my GOODNESS thank you! This is exactly what I've been trying to tell people (with little success) for years now. That Lewis quote and the one from the Bible are some of my favourites of all time, as well.

[goldvermilion87]

No problem. :-)

I love the story of Jonathan and David. Though funny story: you know that History Channel Bible mini-series that everyone has been raving about? My mom turned it on one day to see what the fuss was about, I walked into the room and sat down to watch, too. Within about three minutes Jonathan was dead. I just walked out again . . .

[eavis]

HAH! That's funny. I wondered if that was worth all the hype, but if I ever do watch it I'm definitely not starting with that part.

[goldvermilion87]

I have a bad conscience about watching movies where someone plays Jesus, so I'll probably never see it myself.

I also feel the same way that I did when The Passion movie came out -- all these protestants are getting into it, but it's made by a Roman catholic, and I can't imagine there are no theological problems from a protestant point of view. (I'm protestant.) But I can't speak to that, since I haven't watched it. I did hear that it was not as Marian as The Passion.