Tough Decisions Poll: AtS Characters

Mar 20, 2009 13:07

Okay, all. One last Tough Decisions poll for now. In case you missed it, I had done some polling regarding tough choices the Buffyverse characters have made. Buffy, Giles, the Scoobies, and Angel have all been put under the microscope (with a follow-up poll for good measure). Now it's time for the rest of the AtS cast to get their decisions weighed ( Read more... )

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deird1 March 20 2009, 19:36:14 UTC
The Cordy-becomes-a-demon one is tricky.

When Skip gave her the "become a demon" choice, she was dealing with a world where Angel was crazy, and Wes had lost an arm, and Fred was still in Pylea.
So, clearly, if this can be stopped, stopping it is good.

However, at the start of the episode, it was a decision to have a world with Angel Investigations doing its stuff, and Wes having two arms, and Fred being rescued, and so forth...
...and she chose to be famous (and to make the world where Angel was crazy, etc) instead of dying.

Sure, she didn't know what was going to happen in the Birthdayverse, but it was still caused by that earlier decision.

So yeah - I disagree with her first decision, but given the choice between "being on TV, and Angel is crazy" and "being a demon, and things are the way they were, she made the right decision.

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gabrielleabelle March 20 2009, 23:55:41 UTC
The Cordy-becomes-a-demon one is tricky.

No kidding. I had a bitch of a time remembering the details on that one to write the overview.

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snowpuppies March 20 2009, 20:15:28 UTC
Connor decides to trap Angel at the bottom of the ocean in Tomorrow.

I marked 'other' here, because truthfully, I don't believe this is much of a 'decision'. Psychologically speaking, Connor is just plain fucked-up (why, yes, those are technical terms) by his upbringing. In a time (adolescence) where his identity and worldview is in a great state of flux, I don't believe he had the ability to make a logical decision. As a child, he was programmed to hate Angel, and a few months of goodwill won't erase that, and when things came to a head, Connor acted in the way he was trained to do. It's less of a decision and more of a reaction, IMHO.

Wesley decides to lock up Justine so he can force her to help him find Angel in Deep Down.

I said 'agree', mainly because evil!jailer Wes was so damn sexy. Ok, so I'm not thinking with my brain. So what? :P

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deird1 March 20 2009, 20:28:47 UTC
Connor acted in the way he was trained to do. It's less of a decision and more of a reaction, IMHO.

Plus, if you think about it, "evil vampire who is EVIL and just killed my favourite person in the world when he was leaving and was just going to leave me to be who I'm supposed to be, and then the evil vampire KILLED him, EVILLY, just to be EVIL" ...that makes Connor's reaction pretty reasonable.

It's just that we know Angel's not responsible...

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rahirah March 20 2009, 20:43:59 UTC
See, when I put myself in crazy!Connor's place, I still come up with it being the wrong decisions, because if you have your mortal enemy in your power, going for the elaborate revenge over the quick stake in the heart is always a mistake. *g*

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stormwreath March 20 2009, 22:30:18 UTC
Normally I'd agree with you, but not in this case. Connor knew that even if Angel escaped his elaborate death trap, Angel probably still wouldn't kill him. So why give him a quick, merciful death? Besides, I don't think Connor actually wanted Angel dead; he wanted him to be completely isolated and suffering, just like Connor himself was in Quor'toth.

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ms_scarletibis March 21 2009, 00:36:58 UTC
Real quick ( ... )

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deird1 March 21 2009, 01:19:51 UTC
Connor knew how much Holtz hated Angel.

Yeah, but he also knew the reason Holtz hated Angel. Namely, that Angel had murdered his entire family in cold blood. Sure, there's the whole soul-thing, but given that Connor doesn't really get that yet, is it really that illogical to assume that Angel has finished the job by slaughtering Holtz?

After all, Angel hated Holtz too...

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ms_scarletibis March 21 2009, 01:24:47 UTC
is it really that illogical to assume that Angel has finished the job by slaughtering Holtz?
A bit. Holtz didn't just show up in town--if Angel wanted to kill him, he had ample time to do it.

At any rate, it isn't fair to expect Connor, with his background, to be logical. But at the same time, he saw Holtz's body--he had two neat puncture marks, but the blood was on the pavement. It wouldn't make any sense for a "savage vampire" or whatever to waste the blood, or not at the very least shred Holtz's throat if the agenda was just to kill him. It was much too clean.

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deird1 March 21 2009, 02:26:55 UTC
Holtz didn't just show up in town--if Angel wanted to kill him, he had ample time to do it.

...except that Angel only found out Holtz was back from Quortoth in the previous scene.
Pretty much, as soon as he found out about Holtz, he went and confronted him. Couldn't really have killed him any earlier.

And Connor has never actually seen what vampire kills look like before. He only knows them by description.

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eowyn_315 March 21 2009, 17:10:34 UTC
1. Agree, although I wouldn't have blamed Wes one bit if he had sided with the Council.

2. Agree. I can't really see there being much debate on this one.

3. Other. I honestly think Cordy should've been way suspicious of this whole set-up, and she should've pressed Skip for other options. I mean, if he can change things so Cordy's famous, couldn't he change things so something else happened? Something that fixed the problem without erasing Cordy's involvement with AI? Once she picked "be famous" and discovered what that led to, then of course her only option is to choose to be a demon (hmmm, curious that the "become a demon" option only comes up after Cordy has no other choice ( ... )

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gabrielleabelle March 21 2009, 20:42:07 UTC
10. Agree. I see this one as a mercy-killing. I haven't watched the ep in a long time, so maybe I'm remembering wrong, but it seemed like Gunn couldn't have actually saved him from the portal.

Interesting. I had the impression from watching that Gunn could have saved the professor from the portal but chose to kill him instead. Will have to watch again sometime.

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eowyn_315 March 22 2009, 15:00:33 UTC
Well, you've seen it more recently than I have. If he could have saved him, then my answer would change to "disagree."

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cdaae March 23 2009, 02:10:37 UTC
Regarding Wes taking baby Connor away, I can't say I entirely agree or disagree with it. Much like Connor later sinking Angel, I understand it.

Wes's decision turned out to be wrong, but he was acting on the information he had available, he did everything in his power to check on that information, and he made the decision selflessly. It was done from friendship, from love.

Where he went wrong was in not consulting the others, but I find that very understandable given the circumstances. Cordy was off with whatshisname, Angel was being creepy as shit due to being given Connor's blood, and Fred and Gunn were completely wrapped up in each other. Of course he still should have told Fred and Gunn, but considering his emotional state regarding Fred I find it very understandable that he didn't.

I'm more torn on the Justine question actually. On the one hand, obviously I wouldn't generally support keeping a woman locked and chained in a closet! On the other, she did slit his throat and ruin his life. And it's kind of hot as hell.

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cdaae March 23 2009, 02:11:19 UTC
PS: BTW, I found your journal after reading some comments you left in someone else's post about Dollhouse, in case you're wondering where this random stranger appeared from.

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gabrielleabelle March 23 2009, 02:37:36 UTC
Yeah. The AtS decisions really are a lot more murky than the BtVS ones because a lot of them are made based on misinformation. So Wesley taking Connor is understandable, even if it was obviously the wrong thing to do.

And on Justine, that one is a huge gray area. Yes, it helped Wesley rescue Angel. But still...chaining her up and locking her in a closet? That's not really kosher, no matter what she's done...

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