NO NO NO NO NO

[filkertom]

At least 27 dead, including at least 18 children, in Connecticut elementary school shootingPeace and condolences and whatever cold comfort may be taken by the families of the dead and wounded

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there was something wrong with this guy

[ext_308670]

But until we know more about him (like his name, what he has done in the past, etc) we can't know what it was

Re: there was something wrong with this guy

[lizziecrowe]

There are instances where the government can override HIPPA to get med records. We just need ti to be BEFORE something like this happens. And it would NOT require the FBI to have unrestricted access to meds records. It would, by its very definition be restricted. One purpose, one reason for access, simple yea or nay. Considering the nature of my FBI file, I wouldn't be surprised it there's something in there already, yet I still passed a federal background check for my job.

We have to draw the line SOMEHWERE.

Re: there was something wrong with this guy

[lizziecrowe]

The FBI wouldn't even have to say WHY you were denied. If credit bureaus can do it, the FBI can do it. The three major credit bureaus don't say why people are denied credit based on certain criteria. The FBI is somehow incapable of this? I doubt it.

[houseboatonstyx]

Actually, both the Tucson and the Virginia Tech shooters were known to have mental issues. Both had been reported by other students aas displaying threatening behavior well before the shootings, and local authorities had looked into it but not reported the information to the right places.

[catnip13]

In the face of horror, it's very human to want to make changes that will prevent bad things from happening. Some feel that the answer to the problem is to wrap guns up in so many layers of red tape that they go away. Some feel that an armed society is a polite one. Neither side wants to see children die.

It's hard to remember in the face of emotion that someone who disagrees with you probably wants the same end result you do. It's human nature to see something awful and think "how can I prevent this?" I'm trying to keep compassion in my heart for both sides of the argument.

*hugs*

[lizziecrowe]

Thank you for this. You are very right.

[alverant]

"Neither side wants to see children die."
Wrong! One side is prefectly willing to let children die if it means having their precious guns. How many on the pro-gun side cheered the war in Iraq? Do you think no children died there?

"Some feel that the answer to the problem is to wrap guns up in so many layers of red tape that they go away."
It's easier to get a gun than a car. How about if we just rap guns in the same amount of red tape as motor vehicles? Paying for a license, passing a test, having it revoked it you do something seriously wrong, etc.

[catnip13]

I think you are misunderstanding both my position and my point.

I happen to fall on the side of wanting to wrap guns up in so much red tape that they go away. I developed this opinion when I was 13 and one of my classmates accidentally shot and killed my little sister's best friend with a gun that was kept in a locked case, equipped with a trigger lock.

There are people I love and respect who are looking at this same situation and going "Crap! We need to DO SOMETHING so that these things don't happen." Their opinion of what needs to be done is just different than mine.

And I don't honestly believe that any of us know what the best answer is.

[redaxe]

I can just hear the NRA now "If only our kids were Ramboed up starting in kindergarten, this never could have happened."

I have no words nasty and scornful enough for them, and no words gentle enough for the victims and their families. I hope, in time, they can find some peace.

[alverant]

Bryan Fisher already said it.

[redaxe]

Was he serious? If so, give the kids the guns, and let them use HIM, bound and gagged, as a practice target. (With blanks, possibly except for one live round in every hundred.)

If he, like I, was being sarcastic, then, well...

[alverant]

Given Fisher's history of saying dumb-ass things, I think he was serious. The person does not know how to be sarcastic.

[eglantine_br]

I think we need to make a point that most people with mental health conditions never have and never would hurt anyone. They like the rest of us would wrestle crocodiles to protect a child.

But a small minority are dangerous to the public, (at least sometimes.) Sometimes people are fine while in treatment or on meds, and very different without them.

There are all sorts of rules in place for who gets to have guns, and which guns, and why.

If everyone had much less access to guns, those who want to do harm could do much less harm before being stopped.

[james_the_evil1]

Meanwhile in China a guy went nuts at a school today & stabbed 22 people, including a number of kids. They've had issues in China with guys going nuts & attacking elementary schools because they want weak targets that can't fight back. He was stopped by unarmed security guards, and only 2 people were seriously, but not fatally, hurt.

The gun people are missing the point & saying "See? All he had was a knife! You want to regulate KNIVES now?" Yeah, no. If he'd had guns it would have been WORSE.