Comments | charlidos: A fictional reality

charlidos

A fictional reality

Apr 19, 2009 18:31

At times like these, when the Supernatural boys are very much in focus, so are also the crazy, delusional part of fandom. Between the Jensen is married/Danneel is a crazy stalker person and the J2 is real/I will beat you (including girlfriends) over the head if you don't agree, there's a lot of lunacy going around. It always makes me cringe ( Read more... )

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kalikahuntress April 19 2009, 16:44:19 UTC

'I'm sure if they were friends of mine, I wouldn't want to read fanfiction about them... My point is that I just wish people would be happy to keep things within the fandom and not needing to extend it to the subjects (throwing slash at them, being rude to girlfriends and throwing yourself at Jensen being prime example of that) and not feel that it's necessary that it's ACTUALLY true, in order for the J2 fandom to exist at all.'

THIS needed to be said, thanks so much.
Also, I am almost positive that people are stalking them because of that airport incident with Jared and his sister, so that wouldn't surprise me that someone found out them visiting his sister.

charlidos April 19 2009, 17:14:07 UTC

I'm glad you agree! :)

And yes, I'm a bit scared for what that means. While it's good to know they hang out, but I do wonder what lengths some people are prepared to go to...

without_me April 19 2009, 17:03:45 UTC

Since you seem to be better informed than I, can you clarify the whole "shared mortgage" thing for me? I've read the article, but I don't see anything that references that (other than the author posting a comment about fact-checking, but it's not clear to me what facts she's referring to). I must just have missed a point somewhere, I'm sure.

(And of course I agree with you about the fact/fiction divide. Oddly--and fortunately!--though I've been lucky enough to meet some of them a few times, that hasn't hindered my enjoyment of the fiction. Of course, we're not friends, just people who run into one another now and then, so that surely makes a difference.)

charlidos April 19 2009, 17:21:18 UTC

I have no other info than the article, but since she wrote that they share a mortgage in the original article and then, when someone protested against that part in a comment, she said the article's true and fact checked. I take that as confirmation that the mortgage part is true as well. That's it!

I hope it didn't sound like I mean people shouldn't meet them? Because yes, that's probably fun, if you stay sane. And I know you keep things very cool and respectful. I was more trying to explain my own disinterest in meeting them, from a fandom perspective. If I could hang out with those boys in a non-fan way, though, it'd be great, since they seem terrific and fun. :)

without_me April 19 2009, 18:07:54 UTC

Okay, clearly I need to work on my comprehension skills (or just slow the eff down), because I swear I read the article at least twice and never saw anything about a mortgage. Living together, yes--we all knew that--but nothing about a mortgage. And in fact Jared refers to it as "my" house in that same article, doesn't he? Whatever. I'm sure I just missed something.

And no, I didn't take your comment as critical in any way. I've heard similar opinions from several people--that they'd rather not meet their BSOs so as not to have fact and fiction overlap. I was just saying that for me, the overlap isn't a problem, at least not at the peripheral level of contact I've had.

charlidos April 19 2009, 18:26:08 UTC

The article says:
So close that they decided to buy a home together in Vancouver, where they film the show. But these roommates share more than just a mortgage

It's difficult to interpret that any other way, I feel. :)

You know, if there was a natural way for me to meet them, it'd probably be cool with me too. However, I'm always been wary of any celebrity encounters, it just makes me feel awkward.

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emrinalexander April 19 2009, 19:27:31 UTC

I completely agree with you about not wanting to get too close to the real people because it shatters the illusion, which is fun to play with. When I got to know MR's mother really well it was great because she's a wonderful person, but it killed SV and Clex fanfiction for me, because when you've just heard the story of how he tried to get them to sell his brother to the gypsies and then dumped oatmeal on his head becaue they wouldn't, it just well, that's too real. I could never read fanfiction about anybody I know, even second-hand.

charlidos April 19 2009, 19:38:10 UTC

I didn't know you know his mother! (But then it's not my fandom...) But yes, that makes perfect sense, I'd be very uncomfortable too. Even if I'd be a little less so if it concerns his fictional counterpart...

Besides, it's much easier to create fiction around a real person if you don't know them. If you just know OF them and maybe even know a LOT, you can puzzle the info together as you please. Because the beauty of fiction is the opportunity to dig really deep into the mind of a person you don't know - regardless if this person is fictional or real.

coppering April 20 2009, 01:22:24 UTC

is much like reading a good book, only one which is partly written by the boys themselves and partly by the rest of fandom - whether or not it's actually true or made up.

I like how you put this, I think that is exactly how I look at it... I don't believe these things to be real, I can see how it would all work in reality... but it's a fun story to read and be a part of.

Well said!

charlidos April 20 2009, 12:00:03 UTC

Thanks! I feel it's important to consciously make this distinction between reality and fiction - even as we're talking about actual, living people. What makes it fun, is that we can turn everything they do into something that is part of their epic love story - even if it in reality is about something else entirely. :D

withdiamonds April 20 2009, 21:27:21 UTC

This is one of the best descriptions of RPF and reality that I've ever read. Beautifully and clearly explained, how we can enjoy the fictional world we make up while knowing completely what is real and what isn't. It's possible, it really is.

charlidos April 21 2009, 10:32:01 UTC

Yay! Thank you, dear. And yes, it's definitely possible. But there are people who will never be able to make that distinction. Like someone expressed it: they regard the Js, in this case, as their own blow-up dolls, to do with them as they please. It's scary to see that entitlement some feel.

I think some people forget to regard this whole thing as just another form of entertainment. Which is a pity, because it really is a lot of fun. :D

withdiamonds April 21 2009, 12:59:10 UTC

Yes, that's it. It's FUN. And it's entertainment, and it's a nice hobby, but we don't own the real people. They're not ours to do with what we want. I suppose a million years in popslash helps one maintain some kind of perspective. Like, we've had practice at a RP fandom, and can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

charlidos April 21 2009, 15:53:28 UTC

Yes, that's true. There were crazy people in popslash too, of course. And I believe neither you nor I have ever belonged to the unstable contigent of any fandom...

But it's also due to size, I think. Even in the heyday of popslash, it wasn't anywhere near as big as the SPN/J2 fandom is now. The networks of the internet has developed quite a bit as well and you can find EVERYTHING on the net. Also, when I dived into popslash, a lot people despised RPS with abundance. Now, it's not such a big deal for anyone.