[the fifteenth] / [video]

Jul 07, 2009 20:52

[Riddler is sitting at a table--essentially the only furniture in Lust's apartment that's accessible to him--with crosswords and newspapers covering the surface. The papers are vaguely in view, with scribbles and notations, but nothing's clear. Recent events--bizarre ones, weather patterns and monsters--tend to be a common theme ( Read more... )

edward nygma | riddler

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meowminx July 8 2009, 01:22:28 UTC
Can't say I'm a fan of determinism.

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Roommate troubles?

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enigmaestro July 8 2009, 01:24:12 UTC
Frankly, nor am I. Most Gothamites aren't, I'd wager.

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Myself excluded, she keeps odd company. I never intended to stay this long, at any rate. Such just sort of, well, happened.

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meowminx July 8 2009, 01:38:05 UTC
And from what I've heard of my future, hell if I'm just going to sit back and let it happen.

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I do have some safehouses scattered around the City if you need to use one temporarily.

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enigmaestro July 8 2009, 01:41:24 UTC
[Awkward pause.]

Yes. I--well--I certainly don't blame you for that, Selina. For wanting to fight that.

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[Yet another pause.]

I'd appreciate it.

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[voice] darkprophecies July 8 2009, 01:24:36 UTC
Do you perhaps think that you can be both a determinist and a believer in free will at the same time?

I believe that things are destined to happen, to put one in situations where they must make an important choice that shapes who they become.

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[voice] enigmaestro July 8 2009, 01:29:00 UTC
Leibniz believed in that sort of paradox, and many argue his theocracy offers a good many logical fallacies. I include myself in the "many" category. Perhaps I fancy Candide a little too much; satire is always amusing. Stark knows this to be true.

Why?

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[voice] darkprophecies July 8 2009, 01:33:29 UTC
I suppose my theory on such things can be best described as a 'choose your own adventure' story of sorts. The situations are presented to you, however it is up to you to choose the path. Each path leads to more choices that sculpt your life story accordingly.

... if that made any sense.

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[voice] enigmaestro July 8 2009, 01:36:26 UTC
It does, but Voltaire is rolling in his grave from such words. However, to be fair, Voltaire attacked Leibniz moreso on the idea of this world being the optimal of all possible worlds. And--really--the satirist exaggerated the point so much that he may have entirely missed it.

And how does self-fulling prophecy work into your philosophy, my dear?

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[voice] oculiform July 8 2009, 01:25:13 UTC
Not even a bruise?

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[voice] 1/2 enigmaestro July 8 2009, 01:29:23 UTC
[voice][encrypted] enigmaestro July 8 2009, 01:29:56 UTC
You left in such a hurry, we didn't even get a chance to explore that.

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[voice][encrypted] oculiform July 8 2009, 01:32:05 UTC
I would have gone through with it if I'd stayed any longer, count your lucky stars.

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more_surreal July 8 2009, 01:27:03 UTC
Oh, it's all predetermined, definitely. Everything's set out on a path of fate, and whatever we do, we do because it was supposed to happen that way.

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enigmaestro July 8 2009, 01:30:36 UTC
Such confidence from someone so young. I'm curious about your evidence.

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more_surreal July 8 2009, 01:33:23 UTC
Evidence, schmevidence. Life's just a lot more fun when you don't have to sweat personal responsibility!

Besides, somebody or something's out to get me...

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enigmaestro July 8 2009, 01:42:50 UTC
[Well that elicits a chuckle.]

You've got a point. Personal responsibility is perhaps taken too seriously sometimes.

Oh? Who would that be?

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enigmaestro July 8 2009, 01:31:34 UTC
Or is that merely a fabrication of our own optimism? How can free will exist when beings like the Endless do?

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enigmaestro July 8 2009, 01:43:12 UTC
It's an empowering thought, isn't it?

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