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[cabaiste84]

Well, several things came out of my last post...one of them being that there doesn't seem to be any quick-fix solution to the problem of abortion. I've no idea why I'm making an entry out of this, but oh well.

*We decided that making it illegal isn't going to do it...as sixth_light pointed out, that will not stop abortion, but will only lead to a higher rate

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I do say "knock boots" an awful lot, don't I?

[fallbackschism]

I think that sounds quite fair and logical - there is no perfect solution of course as you said and every situation must be catered for it in own special way.

The state probably has the option for abortion because it knows that is easier than having to take care of more unwanted children. Well, that would be my guess anyway.

I am all for adoption, my Aunty (Mum's sister) is adopted and although I'm not sure why that came about it worked out really well.

I know that they have now made the morning after pill easier to get so hopefully that might help matters.

Re: I do say "knock boots" an awful lot, don't I?

[cabaiste84]

Your icon is prettiful. And I love the expression "knock boots", I think I might start using it on a regular basis!

I know that they have now made the morning after pill easier to get so hopefully that might help matters.

I know that there are a few Christians out there who are against the morning after pill, seeing as they see it as being a mini-abortion. But, in the situation of, say, a rape, I don't really think it's such a terrible idea...

[disturbed_kiwi]

Personally, I tihnk that the fact that the womb can spontaneously abort at this stage (apparantly wuite commonly) means its pretty much a wash.

Do you know why a lot of christians believe life begins at conception? I've been reading a few things (some jewish ideas, flicking through this JKehovah's Witness thing) that think the spark of life is the breath that God breathed into Adam's lungs. Is breathing the only true sign of life?

And do you need to breath air?

[cabaiste84]

Hmmmm, interesting...I dunno, I'll have to research it myself, and ask around. I've only heard that view of the morning after pill from a couple of people, so I'm not actually too sure.

[disturbed_kiwi]

Spo basically we have a lot of options that don't include abortion and are postive (illegalising it seems silly). Let's keep pushing those and hope things get better.

Of course, things will never be perfect, but hey let's try and help out eh?

[mickwanny]

Sex education in this country has a long way to go. But at least it is better than in the States. Bush is all for 'abstinence-based sex education'. Not good enough. Some kids are always going to go ahead and 'knock boots" (i said it too :P) anyway. I think it's best to get the information out to everyone, have contraception available, and yeh.

Abortion - Personally, i'm against it, but i think it should still be available to those in need of it i.e. where the mother will suffer/die as a result of a full-term pregnancy etc.

Morning after pill - All for it. It's not really a mini-abortion. You take it within 72 hours of the 'incident' (broken condom, rape, drink spiking), and it prevents fertilisation 99% of the time.

Peace Out
Mike

[cabaiste84]

Hmmm, Abstinence. Yeah. I, of course, being Christian and all, have made the choice to wait til marriage, but I personally think there's gotta be more to sex ed than purely abstinence. Especially if you're trying to reach kids that aren't technically Christian, and therefore aren't gonna buy it. I think kids should be encouraged to take sex seriously, and not approach it with a devil may care attitude, and they need to be informed of all the risks, and what they can do to prevent the risks, as you said.
Contraception definitely needs to be pushed as a way of helping to prevents STDs- trust me, with AIDS and other crap floating around, pregnancy is actually the least of your worries...

Morning after pill - All for it. It's not really a mini-abortion. You take it within 72 hours of the 'incident' (broken condom, rape, drink spiking), and it prevents fertilisation 99% of the time.Yeah, gotta say the thought of taking something to prevent fertilisation is actually a lot more appealing than the thought of having a fetus getting sucked

[mickwanny]

1) I got carried away with one point, and yeh. Condoms to prevent pregnancy, and STD's. Accountants and Lawyers can also use their personalities as contraceptives :P

2) Catholics are against all contraceptives. There's a Papal decree against them. Kinda stupid, when you think about how many people catch the Clap each year.

Mike

[cabaiste84]

1) I'm guessing you got carried with the devil may care attitude bit? Not sure what you meant there

[epiphanyofhope]

The world needs Jesus. End of story :-D

[labellementeuse]

I believe that live begins at contraception
And here I thought that contraception was, well, the opposite. Funny that.

So, a question: how do you feel about having a period once a month- the "sloughing off" on the uteral lining?

[epiphanyofhope]

Oops! I meant conception there!

Periods are natural. I know that many pregnancies go unnoticed because the body, for one reason or another, aborts the child. But that is natural. Not forced.

[labellementeuse]

*g* I guessed, I just couldn't help pointing it out. Sorry.

(I'm hesitant to get into this kind of discussion here in a journal where it may not be welcomed but...)

I agree, periods and spontaneous abortions are natural. I just question you categorising an unwanted and potentially very damaging pregnancy and labour as unforced when it's required by law.

[42shadesofgray]

Interestingly there was a study that just came out here in the States that has observed that kids who take the virginity-til-marriage pledges Bush is so awfully fond of are actually more likely to do sexual things, just ones that don't involve traditional intercourse. Bill Maher - he's sort of a political humorist type - did an article about it, demanding jokingly "Where were these pledges when I was in high school?"

Personally I think Christianity would be a more successful religion if the overall quality of Christians was higher. You're very sincere in your faith, but here many people are Christian simply because of tradition, and Christianity-related stuff (Left Behind books, etc) makes millionaires every day. It's become very commercial.

[sixth_light]

I believe that study also showed that something like a third of the kids involved thought you couldn't catch STDs from any activity that wasn't actual sex. From talking to Americans on-line, I really get the impression they have a much bigger problem with simple ignorance about sexual behaviour, how it works, and how it can go wrong.

[42shadesofgray]

I definitely agree. I was in the Michigan education system til eighth grade, and no one ever talked to me about sex. They tell you that you have a vagina and monthly bleeding and here's what to do about it, but they never tell you what the vagina is for.

[cabaiste84]

I agree with what you say about Christianity. In my opinion, the crux of the faith is having a personal relationship with the risen Jesus Christ. You can get really picky about all the different rules outlined in the Bible, but, that aside, the most important thing about the faith is knowing Jesus, and accpeting the sacrifice He made for us. Some Christians these days get really hung up on all the rules, and then the faith gets all legalistic, which prevents more people making the decision for the faith.
Ever thought much about becomming Christian yourself? Not that I'm trying to convert you, I'm just wondering.