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lasultrix November 21 2003, 15:03:21 UTC
He's back he's back he's back and I'm so happy and he can't be evil, he just can't, because that would renege on everything the writers have done with him, that made us all love him so, (some of us in a decidedly more lustful way than most) and goddamn you Americans and your "Oh, we'll just have a little break now, toodles!"

WHEN DO WE GET MORE EPISODES, YANKEE?

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butterfly November 21 2003, 15:20:21 UTC
I know! Lindsey!

*twirls*

And Lindsey was at his most 'evil' in TSiLA - then Darla came and he seemed to go from W&H's side to Darla's side pretty fast. And while W&H's goals were the same as Darla's, that wasn't so obvious, but once they deviated, we got to see that he hadn't decided on W&H once and for all at the end of Blind Date.

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lasultrix November 21 2003, 15:37:23 UTC
(no, seriously, when do we get more episodes? I actually know nothing at all about the American system of TV, because by the time anything gets to us, we get 22 episodes in 22 weeks, straight through.)

But even To Shanshu in L.A. wasn't a true evil Lindsey, because it was an overreaction! He felt himself falling into an abyss in Blind Date, leaving everything he'd known and then chance stopped him, and he resigned himself to death... when suddenly Holland Manners offered himself to him as a father figure and gave him a reprieve, and Lindsey, glad to be alive and beguiled by this man who claimed to understand him, to father him, decided to stay where he was and for a short time, he threw himself whole-heartedly into W&H. To Shanshu in L.A. was the exception in Lindsey, not the rule.

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butterfly November 21 2003, 16:22:40 UTC
January, most likely.

And yes, exactly.

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liliaeth November 21 2003, 16:03:35 UTC
Actually, I think they did, and Angel's the wild card ( ... )

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kita0610 November 21 2003, 17:05:30 UTC
Some of which makes sense, except for one very pragmatic point. It's Angel's show. Chances are the prophecies? Are about the guy in the title. Thing is, Angel is the most tragic hero Joss ever created. It SUCKS to be Angel. So if there are prophecies? They're not gonna be about rewards. Shanshu, if he gets it, will be awful. If somehow Spike gets it, it'll be a happy thing for him.

But I personally think Shanshu, like the Cup of Perpetual Dew? Is a big red herring. Someone or something wants the two vamps with souls at eachother's throats. Which means to me, in order to defeat the Big Bad, they're gonna have to work together. Who says they can't BOTH Shanshu? There are 4 billion Slayers running around now, why not two vamps with souls? Why not two vamps with souls who Shanshu? It wouldn't be as if Wes hasn't made mistakes in translations before.

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butterfly November 22 2003, 00:26:48 UTC
Yeah, I wanted to make that point, too, but this essay wasn't about the meta (well, not that kind of meta).

And yeah, I'm not sure proto-whatever demon language was big on articles - could be that the 'the' is 'a' or even that vampire and destiny are meant to be plural. Or that it's not a prophecy at all - perhaps that's the natural order of things - once a vampire gets a soul, eventually it Shanshus.

We just don't know.

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avrelia November 22 2003, 09:29:39 UTC
Wow! That is interesting idea! I have never considered this one. Yes, Spike, or Angel, or both - but every vampire with a soul... To cool to be true, I guess. Again, nobody really knows what shanshu really is. May be to die as a human, may be to become a human, but there may be a catch in it too - to become a human as they are, or of their real age (centuries), or without memories, or newborn babies, or something else. Just to screw everyone up...
I personally prefer "vampire as perpetual adolescense" metaphor, so growing up as becoming a human would make sense to me. But that's me and not ME

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