I'm still terrified they will undo Gwen's choice, because of the notion that 'the lead couple must always get together' in television. I'll be so mad if Torchwood goes down this route!
My secret hope is that Gwen will become more Jack-like and she and Rhys will develop an open relationship and they can sleep with Jack together (without us needing to see Rhys' ass again. Twice was more than enough. They could show us Jack's ass this time. Or Gwen's. I'm not picky). Or, you know, foursome with Ianto. Or the team could finally have that orgy.
Why is it so hard for TW fandom to be as sane about relationships and people as the actual characters in the show are?
Gwen and Ianto don't hate each other (and are, in fact, adorable together)! Jack is capable of loving more than one person at a time! Gwen is able to have emotional confusion about Jack without it meaning that she loves Rhys any less!
Don't you know? Ianto is a doormat who cries himself to sleep at night. And Jack is an emotionally abusive ass.
Right, obviously, I am taking these things for granted. The real question is -- did Ianto steal one of Jack's coats to cry into or did he go to a costumer's and have one made?
Or did Jack, in one of those moments of casual cruelty that he's constantly engaging in, throw an old coat at Ianto's feet before running off to chuck stones at Gwen's window to see if she'll come out to play with him?
I think the other difference is that Gwen is at least ten years older than Rose. Rose was - or considered herself - too young to settle down, whereas Gwen doesn't.
By the end of Series 2, though, Rose was willing to do what Gwen did now and promise forever to someone. Gwen was definitely further along in the process than Rose was back when we first met them.
Never thought of it that way, but you're right. It's very cool that neither woman is presented as having made the wrong choice, because neither did; each made the decision that was right for *her*. Gwen needed the stability and normalcy Rhys brought to her life. Rose needed to leave stability and normalcy behind her. Good calls, girls, good calls!
It's definitely one of the things that I love about this universe. Two women can make opposite choices and yet each one makes the choice that's right for her. Women as individuals! It sounds like such a commonsense thing, but there are too many shows that have a single way as to how all woman are 'supposed' to behave and if a woman makes the 'wrong' choice, the laws of the universe punish her for it.
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If any show would do it, it would be this one. /o/
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Why is it so hard for TW fandom to be as sane about relationships and people as the actual characters in the show are?
Gwen and Ianto don't hate each other (and are, in fact, adorable together)! Jack is capable of loving more than one person at a time! Gwen is able to have emotional confusion about Jack without it meaning that she loves Rhys any less!
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This is proven in canon when Jack replies to Gwen with, "pizza, Ianto, save the world." Why? BECAUSE IANTO CAME AFTER PIZZA.
So says a chunk of fandom who are certain that if it isn't heteronormative, it must be BAD.
Although to be fair, maybe they aren't bigots. Just crazy.
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Right, obviously, I am taking these things for granted. The real question is -- did Ianto steal one of Jack's coats to cry into or did he go to a costumer's and have one made?
Or did Jack, in one of those moments of casual cruelty that he's constantly engaging in, throw an old coat at Ianto's feet before running off to chuck stones at Gwen's window to see if she'll come out to play with him?
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