6.03 The Third Man, part 3

[blacklid]

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[a_phoenixdragon]

Once upon a time, a man went to hell. While he was there, he learned anatomy. He learned it really, really well. He knows his own better than anyone else's. He knows it so well that when he would see someone else's anatomy laid out in front of him, he would feel the pokes and prods as if they were part of himself. He approached it clinically. He had a process. He took people through the same process he knew so intimately and he it saw it do the same thing to them as it had done to him. Their pain was his pain and their eyes were glassy mirrors and he'd stare into their souls and stab and slice and cleave to get down to the part of himself that housed the hole in his soul. His eyes would turn black, but he didn't know it. He finally wouldn't have cared. It felt too good to know what he was made of and how much nothing can swallow up until he was alone.YES. YES this and this review and FUCK - THANK YOU

[blacklid]

You are totally allowed to have fun with Dean being bad. He is. :)

[tahirire]

*shivers at biology*

[blacklid]

I bought you a rock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimony

[themonkeytwin]

foam inserts take the whole organization thing just a bit far

Maybe it's a sacred sponge.

That doesn't mean that he's not feelling things or that he doesn't have empathy.... What he ISN'T being is completely genuine.

*glee*

Also, I agree.

Because this time Sam really sucks at lying. Sam has never sucked at lying. Ever. EVER ever. And THAT, more than anything, makes this feel like it's not 100% Sam.*thoughtful face

[datenshiblue]

Then there's also the fact that he's conflicted about lying to Dean now. Conflicted liars are bad liars. I mean, there is no hard evidence for this at all so far, but I think he is. He used to lie because he was afraid or ashamed of what he was, but he's neither anymore. There's no personal, emotional climate of needing to hide himself or justify himself to Dean. Dean is not the keeper of Sam's identity anymore. And I think, underneath it all, he does want the share his burdens with Dean.

I thought this was very perceptive, and I agree with it, in that it feels very true to what I'm seeing also.

[blacklid]

True. And I think Sam wants to tell him everything, too, but he's waiting for the right time.

[blacklid]

You know, I bet this thing grew epically since you read it because D told me that my code was broken. *facepalm*

I was mostly trying to illustrate the things about Sam that make it feel like he isn't Sam anymore. Even when he's lied before, we knew he was withholding information.

I'd be most intrigued with a discussion about whether we as the audience would know Sam is lying unless we had the barometer of Dean's reactions to rely on.

[datenshiblue]

There may be a glitch in your code - this is visible:

next to the 3 Stooges, and salt eyed Rafael overlaps with the picture above of Cas & boys.

It seems (to me) to skip some content, but maybe it doesn't.

/geek

Very good meta/review. I appreciate the Sam information and also the focus on things going on with Dean that, as you said, have seemingly escaped much comment.

Much food for thought here. *thinks*

<3

[blacklid]

O.o Uh yeah. It ate A LOT. DANG IT.
T was having this problem yesterday, but luckily I have it backed up. It is all there now. THANK YOU for telling me. Stupid video code...

[datenshiblue]

De nada. I notice these things cause I kind of do this sort of thing for a living. ;)

I very much enjoyed reading the left out parts!

And I too noticed that Sam's look when Cas sticks his arm in the kid was very intent. Not cold at all, but very intently watching.

You and T are helping, as are several other thoughtful folks. I actually was kind of crushed by 6.05. I'm re-inflating little by little though. Thinky thoughts and interesting speculations and connections prime the re-inflating process.

<3

[etoile444]

I imagine that if your soul belongs to someone else, that you know it in the very deepest part of you, even though you may not remember how that happened exactly. You know, like you lost some time somewhere between being in the cage and showing up in the middle of a dark corn field in the rain.

This!!!!!

What if Sam is testing Dean? Seeing what monsters his blood and the strength in it will prevail against? What if it's all of them? What if Dean's blood can reverse a monster's "condition"? ... like Sam's can?

OMG!! I never in a million years would have thought of this! But holy crap! It makes so much sense as to why Dean would need to be back with Sam and by extension the Campbells. What if every time you fight off something you build supernatural immunity. Dean has fought off the djinn, vampires, death and demons! Who knows.

[blacklid]

Well, it's just a theory, but INORITE?

I mean, I KNOW people remember Show telling us repeatedly that only angels can do certain things, like use the sigil ejector button and kill another angel and any number of other things... but DEAN KEEPS DOING THEM. They both do, really, but ESPECIALLY Dean.

Sam always wanted to be special. And he was. BUT DERP. DEAN IS MORE SPECIAL. If you were Sam, I mean, knowing Sam how we do, and knowing that he has always wanted to know how things work and always wanting to SAVE things over KILLING them... does it MAKE SENSE?! *uses Dean Magic icon*

[feliciakw]

I'm not sure that only angels can use the banishing sigil (Anna wasn't technically an angel when she introduced it to us), and I'm of the opinion that it's not so much only an angel can kill an angel, but only an angel sword can kill an angel, and up until recently, only angels could get their hands on those.

BUT.

Your theory still holds because Dean looked in Zach's eyes when Zach was dying and being all blinding angel-like, and Dean's eyes did not burn out of his skull. O.o It must mean something.

And once upon a time, I was all about Dean (and Sam, but mostly Dean, because Sam had something different about him from the get-go) not being "special," because I wanted the normally human (as opposed to supernaturally human) peeps to be able to defeat evil. Now, though? I'm kinda quite down with the idea of Dean being special.

[blacklid]

It also doesn't explain how Sam never turned when he was infected with Croatoan. *eyebrows*

Once upon a time, I became best friends with the biggest Evil!Sam girl ever, and we proceeded to argue for two years about who was going to get to go evil FIRST. We've been dreaming of this day for a LOOOONG time and thank TPTB for giving us the epilogue to such an awesome story.