Comments | ash48: 13.03 reaction / review

ash48

13.03 reaction / review

Oct 28, 2017 18:49

You know how in my last review I mentioned how nice it was that even though Sam and Dean aren't on the same page at least they're not fighting about it?

Yeah well. I probably shouldn't have said that.

(some spoilers for future episodes, but nothing that isn't out there already)

( Maybe I've run out of Patience... )

s13 reaction, supernatural

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borgmama1of5 October 28 2017, 12:25:00 UTC

We might not like the way they are reacting, but I don't think either of them are doing anything that's particularly out of character?

I think they are in character, even though I kinda want to slap Dean right now...and while there is conflict between them, they are talking...or at least yelling...at each other...I can't put my finger on it, but it feels like a solvable disagreement as opposed to some of the times they have been at odds...

As far as the rest, pretty much agree with you. Patience was boring, and I was really surprised at Berens not doing better.

amberdreams October 28 2017, 15:08:16 UTC

That's how I felt about the boys interactions too - I get that they are disagreeing, and Dean is angry, but whether it's Jared's acting, or wishful thinking on my part, but I'm seeing a lot of patience and understanding on Sam's side. He's fighting back, sure, but not with the sharpened weapons Sam's used in the past. He's not drawing blood with Dean, and we know he could, if he wanted.

ash48 October 29 2017, 12:16:02 UTC

I kinda want to slap Dean too - or at least shake him! Poor boy feels things very deeply and can be singularly focused on his pain (and the awful state of things generally) when he feels like that. Sam's still there for him so really, all is not lost.

but it feels like a solvable disagreement

It does. I don't think it's going to be the dreadful disconnect we got in S9. :)

Patience was boring, and I was really surprised at Berens not doing better.

Yeah. And considering this is his thing (the spin-off), I'm surprised Patience wasn't a stronger character.

amberdreams October 28 2017, 15:05:48 UTC

Yes to everything here - and I think you've highlighted something about this episode (and maybe the season so far, though I don't remember noticing it so much after the first two, so maybe it was just this one). Joyless. Such a good word for it.

I mean it wasn't JUST that they killed of Missouri so casually, or so quickly, though that didn't help - it was everything else. This one just felt so damned HEAVY. In every sense of the word - heavy on the anvils, heavy on mood. And yes. Joyless.

I wonder if this was in the editing, the writing or what. I hadn't realised it was Berens, that is a worry.

quickreaver October 28 2017, 22:21:43 UTC

I AGREE. It was joyless. Berens does usually write his episodes with more gravitas, but dang, this one was downright onerous. It's times like these where I reeeeeally miss Edlund. For me, he struck just the right balance.

amberdreams October 29 2017, 13:28:53 UTC

Oh Ben, how we loved thee...

ash48 October 29 2017, 12:26:15 UTC

It really hit me after watching it just how joyless it was. I figure it was to mirror the way Dean is feeling, but wow...talk about making it hard to watch at times. Both Sam and Dean's (and usually Jody's) ability to carry on with hope and sometimes humour is a lovely element the show often has. Sure, not always, but in those times (season finales especially) there's a gravitas and seriousness that is warranted because of it being a finale. This episodes lacked either of those things I felt.

I wonder if this was in the editing, the writing or what.

Hard to know exactly. Perhaps the editing? I nearly always blame the writing because it's where the episode comes from. - but directing can effect that also. I also thought that the actress playing Patience wasn't particularly strong - so that could be part of the problem too. Maybe.

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amberdreams October 28 2017, 15:12:20 UTC

Re: the boys arguing, I didn't feel the impact like you did. I think Sam is pushing Dean more than fighting him. We know Sam can wield words like blades and knows exactly what to say to Dean to hurt him the most - but he isn't doing that. He's standing his ground, and he's coming back at Dean, but he's not drawing blood.

Plus what he's saying to Jack about Dean shows Sam is totally cognisant of what Dean's doing - and why. I'm finding that rather awesome, so their fighting doesn't seem that problematic to me.

ash48 October 29 2017, 12:29:07 UTC

Cool! That's a great way of looking at it. :) I mostly just thought of Dean letting go of his grief at Sam - but I like the idea of Sam holding back because he knows what's going on with Dean (and yeah, Sam can be vicious when he needs to be...)

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ash48 October 30 2017, 10:38:48 UTC

I wondered even if you'd write a review.

I wondered too, but it seems I had some things I wanted to say! :)

they not distinguishing between a psychic and a hunter but act like they are the same thing.

Yes! I noticed that too. They called Missouri a hunter and we just have to assume she became one? If so, why call Sam and Dean?

I somehow thought Cas was really gone for good.

Ah. That's the joy of not being spoiled. Because I'm on twitter (and follow con news) it was reveal (pretty much straight away) that he'd be back. I think Cas fans might have broken the internet if they thought he was dead for good. ;)

But with Death dead, what can one expect. ;)

Good point! How is anyone dying actually....

quickreaver October 28 2017, 22:48:14 UTC

The show got pre-empted in my area, so I let myself get spoiled on twitter. Glad I did. I would've been madder than a hornet (and rolling my eyes) about losing Missouri so fast. I know, I know, it's a dangerous world SPN operates in, everyone dies, yadda yadda. But this almost feels like the show is systematically killing every stinkin' incidental character that ever existed from Seasons 1-5. It almost feels like they're erasing the old SPN so that eventually, we're left with nothing but the characters peopling the spin-off ( ... )

ash48 October 30 2017, 10:47:34 UTC

Hey! <3

But this almost feels like the show is systematically killing every stinkin' incidental character that ever existed from Seasons 1-5.

This is making me so sad. I am very surprised Berens killed her off (unless he was told to?) He's one writer I've felt respected not only female characters, but past characters too. I've often wondered if they just get sick of fans asking for the return of something/someone and kill them off so we stop asking? They (probably cleverly) ended up making the amulet a mute point (it's around but we never see it), so we no longer ask for that.

And dammit, I used to really love Jody.Whhaaaaaaa me too! She used to be so interesting. I'm still hoping they haven't actually forgotten how to write her and we'll still see some of the old time Jody we used to ( ... )