Why fandom won't leave LJ until LJ collapses

Mar 22, 2008 11:29


This is pretty much what went through my mind when all the kerfluffles happened last summer. I've only gotten around to expressing it coherently now. I continue to think about it because the project is tempting: I look at fanfiction.net and I see a terrible archive platform; I look at LJ and I see an even worse one. But today seems like a great day ( Read more... )

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the_emu March 23 2008, 02:56:25 UTC
Yes, with exclamation marks ( ... )

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PS, mind if I link? the_emu March 23 2008, 02:58:35 UTC
PS, mind if I link?

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Re: PS, mind if I link? antennapedia March 23 2008, 05:02:23 UTC
Link away! I'm completely interested in other people's thinking on this topic.

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Re: PS, mind if I link? the_emu March 23 2008, 05:35:10 UTC
Done. Thank you. You've got me thinking more and more.

I'm not sure about asking-to-link etiquette. I may have to post musingly on that, at some stage. ~g~

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amireal March 23 2008, 18:06:07 UTC
I mostly agree with you-- II just take exception to the OTW claims-- they haven't been bogged down in their own idealogical campaign-- the development committee has been working for most of that year to build from the ground up. They do have an opening date for v1.0 of the archive and that's this summer.

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cofax7 March 26 2008, 21:02:55 UTC
Word. And they're absolutely dealing with scalability issues, as scalability has been one of the problems with the existing archives -- Yuletide nearly buckles under the strain at 10 PST every 24 December.

The ideological issues OTW has been dealing with have (many of them) been in support of the archive, because content is going to have to drive function. For instance, age restrictions? or geographic limitations on what's accessible where because Australian law on chan differs from American? And so forth. But that's my speculation: I don't really know what the content policies are going to be, nor how they're going to be handled in terms of archive design.

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antennapedia March 26 2008, 21:50:03 UTC
They went with Rails, didn't they? What else did they pick? Was unable to discover a pointer to their source repository anywhere on their site, so I dunno what their project looks like now.

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cofax7 March 26 2008, 22:06:25 UTC
I believe they went with Ruby on Rails, yes. I don't know much else, as I'm not a coder of any type. There were a number of posts on otw_news about the design of the archive, though, and they just posted a Roadmap for the archive to the main page of the site. I don't know what a source repository is, though.

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quivo March 25 2008, 14:15:04 UTC
This is a nicely comprehensive post. And I think you're right that the alternative to LJ will probably have to come outside from fandom, if only so that it doesn't get bogged down in the kind of strife that OTW has already seen from early on, as well as the usual grumble-mumble of people who don't think their I-want-a-pony feature requests are getting adequate facetime :P. Just like you said, no one knows until someone manages to build something, and that just adds to the inertia of people on LJ.

As for synecdochic's poll, I'm boggling at how many (almost 60% at last refresh) people wouldn't budge from LJ unless all their friends were going. I guess that just reinforces how intensely the social nature of LJ has bound people to it-- makes me wonder if there would have been such a great move from Usenet et al if there were better social features :P. This is one of the things I quite like about decentralized blogging a la Wordpress and Blogger: the blog's identity is mostly separate from whatever system it is built on, so switching to better or ( ... )

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lassarina March 27 2008, 01:56:48 UTC
I have to say, the thing about synecdochic's post that intrigued me most was the bit about complete interoperability with the fooJournal sites. If I could move to another hosting platform while keeping my LJ friends without hassle I'd be about 5 billion times more likely to hop.

As it is, I post to both LJ and IJ, and whine to myself about having to read two f-lists. I'd love to send that the way of the dodo.

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quivo March 27 2008, 04:43:14 UTC
I guess the thing that intrigued me most about her entry is more to do with the assumed attitude that the hypothetical other journal would be set up with. As in, an attitude of 'how do we keep this sustainable?'. Sustainability and portability of content are more important to me now, as is innovation ( ... )

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jumping in worldserpent March 27 2008, 06:32:35 UTC
The finding features in LJ itself truly do suck. This is why IMHO LJ has major issues as a blogging software. However, by using LJseek and icerocket you can mitigate some of the search suckiness, although by no means do they produce comprehensive results ( ... )

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antennapedia March 27 2008, 15:23:24 UTC
Easy to imagine features; harder to implement them :)

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apetslife March 27 2008, 13:45:27 UTC
I have a paid user account on Journalfen, right now, as a kind of emergency backup system for if LJ ever really jumps the shark. After messing around on GJ and IJ, and discovering I pretty much hated them both, I decided to wait, as you said, for the better alternative.

I am watching both OTW's archive project and Syne's polls and ideas VERY closely. I think that fandom will move if and only if the alternative is better, and if the move is en masse. Me, I'm not going anywhere while I can still touch in with 90% of my online friends with one handy post.

GREAT POST. Very very well put. Thank you.

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