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solarbird January 23 2007, 06:52:20 UTC
Personally, I think anyone who places the point of individual life beginning prior to gastrulation just hasn’t given the matter any serious thought.
The fundamentalist movement has decided that it's at fertilisation of the egg by sperm, and they lean on the diploid state of the cell ("a complete set of genetic code!!1!") as a crutch to support it. It's deeply stupid, but there it is. That's also why they've been making such a fetish about what they call "snowflake" children - "adopted" extra zygotes from fertility clinics left over from IVF - and is why they can get themselves worked up about RU-486 and emergency birth control, and the lever they use to assert that most forms of birth control secretly cause abortion. (C.f. Concerned Women for America and their TRUTH ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL screeds ( ... )

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agrumer January 23 2007, 07:08:24 UTC
park rangers aren't allowed to say how old the geology is anymore

Wait, what's up with this?

I looked around for some references, and all I found was one bit of exaggerated rhetoric from a guy named Jeff Ruch ("It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is 'no comment.'") Are park rangers really not allowed to tell people how old the rocks are? I have a hard time believing that.

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barking_iguana January 23 2007, 11:31:48 UTC
No; Ruch duped Skeptic Magazine and the lie spread from there. Skeptic is pissed about it.

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solarbird January 23 2007, 15:26:16 UTC
That's neat; Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) are the ones I heard it from. (Not this particularly line; that they were being told to STFU about park ages.)

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redbird January 23 2007, 14:10:45 UTC
"Conception" is deep in the culture, and not just for actual physical bodies: ideas are "concepts," and some of this nation's best rhetoric includes the phrase "conceived in liberty."

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polydad January 23 2007, 18:00:09 UTC
"Life begins when the children graduate college." And diploma-mill divinity degrees don't count, so most of those preachers are still abortable.

best,

Joel

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agrumer January 23 2007, 18:06:42 UTC
"When it graduates med school" goes the old Jewish joke.

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polydad January 23 2007, 19:02:59 UTC
Same joke, Reform version.

best,

Joel

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