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[ztk2004]

please comment on this to correct any gaping inaccuracies or just to post some opinion. I'm sure sometimes i have no idea what i'm talking about. Or if you know the accurate text of that Orson Scott Card quote. this is the stuff i like to talk about

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[humourmechante]

I agree that war is a necessary evil. It goes back to the nature of humans as animals. Elk don't exactly sit around in embassies discussing divisions of the potential mate population. (forgive the example) War is unavoidable at times. It's a horrible thing, to be sure, but humans are too gray to simply meet and make decisions that provide the most benefits for the most people. Humans too often try to paint the world as black and white, when really, it's anything but. Mostly because we made it that way. How's that for being so far above "animals"?

The war in Iraq is a waste of our resources at the moment. I don't believe it was all that necessary to begin with. Who are we to make a pre-emptive strike on a country just because of the dick of a dictator in charge? If it was for nuclear weapons, well, why shouldn't they have them? We do, and we are just presumptuous enough of a nation to think that well, WE won't use them. We trust us. It's the rest of the world who's unstable.

I love that, by his own "bloodline charts", Hitler himself should have been cast into one of his camps. An ounce of Jewish blood meant you were tainted. Some of his relatives were Jews.

Personally (and you can shoot me down if you like), I don't think communism or socialism could really ever work. It's a grand idea, everything on an equal scale in a classless society. But, going back to human nature, it's just not there. On some level all humans crave ownership and to be better than someone else--in other words, power. Any attempt at something equal would lead eventually to Orwell's immortal words: "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

Fascism is just bad, I agree.

What gets me the most is the breakdown of what this country was built on. The colonists came here to express their religion without oppression from a church government. The goal was to create a place where people were united under a government that had no faith--thus allowing all faiths a chance to thrive in peace. At the moment, religion is playing far too large a part in government decisions. Honestly, allowing a case concerning the placement of Ten Commandment statues in towns across the country to become a hot issue high up in government is going too far. If any other, less mainstream religion, say, the Wiccans, tried something similar, they'd be shot down in an instant. But I digress. Religion and government don't mix. It goes against the foundations of this country.

[humourmechante]

Ha, I was afraid it was too long....Good. But that's all I have to say at the moment...Can't organize my thoughts properly, nor do I have my ready resources at hand....

[ztk2004]

I completely agree with your ideas on communism/socialism. I don't think it could ever really "work"... except for small communities, but even the kibbutz in israel, as well as they work, are not true communist societies.
They are operating under the israeli government... also, if they were real commmunist societies, they would allow palestinians in.
They couldn't exist without the protection and law of the israeli government.

SO no, communism/socialism haven't really worked yet, and probably never will.