Well as for why people make SIs perfect - it's a bit understandable really. If you're writing a story in which you are a participant, there's obviously a ton of temptation to give in and make your insert really good looking and powerful without realizing it. Of course, the problem is that a lot of people who do this just don't realize how bad of a character they've written and thus decide to publish it.
Now Link's Queen can also handwave this with the same excuse I pointed out - according to her, this is all a dream (I kind of find that hard to swallow, but hey - stranger stuff's happened). If she's controlling her world, it sort of makes sense that she'd make her character gorgeous and be Zelda's best friend and have the King give her presents and have Link fall in love with her and have everything turn out perfectly. Again though, the problem is that she decided to put the stupid thing online.
And it's not just the Sue-ishness of Jenna, I'll tell you right now. There are a TON of inaccuracies regarding her usage of the Legend of Zelda cannon, not to mention (like I said), almost every cannon character being derailed to the point of existing only to fawn over the Mary Sue. Again, dream world, I can believe someone using the chance for creating a place that revolves around them. But then she can't understand how people would be bothered by this. I don't know if you're at all familiar with the Legend of Zelda, but if you are then you will be seriously angry with what she does to the characters. Especially the ones who were considered Link's love interests - Saria, Malon, and poor Zelda and Ruto, those two get the worst.
I think you have it with fanfiction though - if a writer can acknowledge that they're kind of sucky but still makes an honest effort, some people might complain but it won't be so bad. Sues like Jenna though have just passed the line long ago. It's like those people who get so fat they can't get out of bed - it's impossible to believe that at some point prior, alarm bells didn't go off and they didn't think "Hmm, I might want to reconsider what's going on here..."
Thanks for reading though! Just wait until we actually meet the Sue... =_=;
I'm just surprised that very little weird shit happened in her 'lucid dreams'. Sure, she has an utterly bizarre bonding ceremony, but nothing on the level of talking to a sparkling vampire or being ambushed by your grandmother's zombie. (I had the latter happen to me the one time I attempted to 'lucidly dream'. I've never put much effort into it since.)
*rubs hands together* I just can't wait for you to shred her for the canon-mangling. I can't wait. >D (And my inner Link/Zelda shipper will be glad to see her avenged... damnit, OoT!Zelda had a TON more spine than being a Sue's eternal assistant! GAH!)
Oh, I can't WAIT to meet the Sue. 8D *lifts Master Spork*
Seriously? O_o I've never lucid dreamed before, but now I really want to. How did you manage it?
Oh ho ho, I totally agree! And to make things worse, Link's Queen has the audacity to imply that Princess Zelda had no idea of what she was doing in the game. The Suethor wrote several mini-fics about Ruto, Malon, and Zelda reflecting on how Link chose the Sue over her. Zelda's is all around how she was hiding and scared. No mention of Sheik or fighting Ganondorf alongside of Link, *nothing*
Well... it's weird. I dreamed I was standing in the driveway of my childhood home, and suddenly I thought "Hey, I don't live here any more, this is a dream! Cool, I realize I'm dreaming! And now I'm going to do whatever I want, because I'm in control! :D" And then I turned around, and my grandmother's zombie was behind me. -_-;; So much for that.
What? *checks fic* AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH. The woman just GLOATS over how he's in love with HER and not any other women, isn't she? D| Bah humbug. ANY of those characters are better than her insipid little Sue.
Aw. :( But I know what you mean. I've had dreams where I think "Wait, this is a dream!", but that revelation tends to come just as they end (like a horrid dream I had not long ago where I was raped - boy was I glad THAT one got figured out)
Oh, it gets better. The Suethor wrote several other mini-fics, set around modern songs, and ALL about how Ruto, Zelda, and Malon have decided to give up on Link so he can be happy with Jenna. *spits* I hate her.
XD I guess part of my problem is that I love humor too much and was a fan in communities where humor was appreciated over perfection. So when I write, even to this day, I don't write about the main character being the most beautiful and perfect woman/male in the world. For starters it's boring and I doubt anyone can relate. Second, it has never been fun for me and I doubt it would be fun for anybody else. And last: it doesn't make sense, people have different tastes.
And I don't care if it's a dream. I dream stories all the time. The one I sent you was a series of dreams I had. But once I wake up I make my own choices in the matter. I think things through and decide if I leave it as is or change it because I think I'm smarter awake than asleep. (Again, I do suck in my own special way, but if I let everything to my subconscious I would suck even more).
For example, Galatea was an adult in my dreams who was kinda there and died at the end of the second part of the book. When I woke up I changed her character to a kid and thus made her into a better character and outlast her adult counterpart. If I had left everything to my dreams Rumiel wouldn't have been there, the back story would have been way shorter, and Baba would have been a random beggar woman instead that shows up two times only. All those things changed when I woke up and thought about it and I feel it improves the story.
As for Zelda game I've only played Twilight princess. I was a playstation kid so nintendo games went over my head until recently. I've wanted to play the other Zelda games, but even now they're 30$ used at Gamestop. I'm hoping for a price drop or for my job to start.
(And just in case, I'm not trying to say everyone should follow my writing ideas per se, I just think a self insert who is there for lulz sake and an author who really tried to write comedy would make a better story. Because self inserts can be great in comedies, I've seen it myself, whereas in romances they twist the very soul of all that they touch... in all of the ones I've read anyway.)
There are some self-inserts played for humor, though most of the ones I think of are in webcomics. For example, Frank Cho draws himself as a monkey ("Frank the Trouser Monkey). A hilarious example is the artist of "Sequential Art", who draws himself as a hampster. One of his characters asks him at one point why he chose a hampster. His response: http://www.collectedcurios.com/sequentialart.php?s=194
Of course that's what ought to be done. But this Suethor apparently believes that these dreams *really happened* and thus seems to think that changing them is an insult to her relationship with Link. And that sentence creeped me out.
Now I'm an avid Nintendo fan, and the Legend of Zelda is my favorite. So this crazy lady violating canon really steams my clams. Ocarina of Time was the first game in the series I played, for heaven's sake!
Oh I agree, a self-insert can be done well and comic purposes would probably be at least the safest. Bit of triva, btw, in the book "Alice in Wonderland", the Dodo was Lewis Carroll's own self-insert. This was because of his stutter and his real life name, which led him to introduce himself as "Charles Do-do-dodgeson".
Dan Shive, of El Goonish Shive, is drawn as a squirrel boy most of the time, comeplete with the comic's random genderbending making him a girl often than not. Sure, he's basically a god being the author and all, but he only misuses power for pranks in non-canon comics.
Or Andrew Hussie, appearing as Andrew Hussie in Homestuck. Usually he's only there to troll fans, provide recaps, or, in a very memorable instant, was actually shot to death in his own comic. It stuck too-he's still dead in the story.
Now Link's Queen can also handwave this with the same excuse I pointed out - according to her, this is all a dream (I kind of find that hard to swallow, but hey - stranger stuff's happened). If she's controlling her world, it sort of makes sense that she'd make her character gorgeous and be Zelda's best friend and have the King give her presents and have Link fall in love with her and have everything turn out perfectly. Again though, the problem is that she decided to put the stupid thing online.
And it's not just the Sue-ishness of Jenna, I'll tell you right now. There are a TON of inaccuracies regarding her usage of the Legend of Zelda cannon, not to mention (like I said), almost every cannon character being derailed to the point of existing only to fawn over the Mary Sue. Again, dream world, I can believe someone using the chance for creating a place that revolves around them. But then she can't understand how people would be bothered by this. I don't know if you're at all familiar with the Legend of Zelda, but if you are then you will be seriously angry with what she does to the characters. Especially the ones who were considered Link's love interests - Saria, Malon, and poor Zelda and Ruto, those two get the worst.
I think you have it with fanfiction though - if a writer can acknowledge that they're kind of sucky but still makes an honest effort, some people might complain but it won't be so bad. Sues like Jenna though have just passed the line long ago. It's like those people who get so fat they can't get out of bed - it's impossible to believe that at some point prior, alarm bells didn't go off and they didn't think "Hmm, I might want to reconsider what's going on here..."
Thanks for reading though! Just wait until we actually meet the Sue... =_=;
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*rubs hands together* I just can't wait for you to shred her for the canon-mangling. I can't wait. >D (And my inner Link/Zelda shipper will be glad to see her avenged... damnit, OoT!Zelda had a TON more spine than being a Sue's eternal assistant! GAH!)
Oh, I can't WAIT to meet the Sue. 8D *lifts Master Spork*
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Oh ho ho, I totally agree! And to make things worse, Link's Queen has the audacity to imply that Princess Zelda had no idea of what she was doing in the game. The Suethor wrote several mini-fics about Ruto, Malon, and Zelda reflecting on how Link chose the Sue over her. Zelda's is all around how she was hiding and scared. No mention of Sheik or fighting Ganondorf alongside of Link, *nothing*
XD Great! *prepares Light Spork*
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What? *checks fic* AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH. The woman just GLOATS over how he's in love with HER and not any other women, isn't she? D| Bah humbug. ANY of those characters are better than her insipid little Sue.
Right, you fire and I'll stab...
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Oh, it gets better. The Suethor wrote several other mini-fics, set around modern songs, and ALL about how Ruto, Zelda, and Malon have decided to give up on Link so he can be happy with Jenna. *spits* I hate her.
Gotcha! *takes aim*
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And I don't care if it's a dream. I dream stories all the time. The one I sent you was a series of dreams I had. But once I wake up I make my own choices in the matter. I think things through and decide if I leave it as is or change it because I think I'm smarter awake than asleep. (Again, I do suck in my own special way, but if I let everything to my subconscious I would suck even more).
For example, Galatea was an adult in my dreams who was kinda there and died at the end of the second part of the book. When I woke up I changed her character to a kid and thus made her into a better character and outlast her adult counterpart. If I had left everything to my dreams Rumiel wouldn't have been there, the back story would have been way shorter, and Baba would have been a random beggar woman instead that shows up two times only. All those things changed when I woke up and thought about it and I feel it improves the story.
As for Zelda game I've only played Twilight princess. I was a playstation kid so nintendo games went over my head until recently. I've wanted to play the other Zelda games, but even now they're 30$ used at Gamestop. I'm hoping for a price drop or for my job to start.
(And just in case, I'm not trying to say everyone should follow my writing ideas per se, I just think a self insert who is there for lulz sake and an author who really tried to write comedy would make a better story. Because self inserts can be great in comedies, I've seen it myself, whereas in romances they twist the very soul of all that they touch... in all of the ones I've read anyway.)
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Of course that's what ought to be done. But this Suethor apparently believes that these dreams *really happened* and thus seems to think that changing them is an insult to her relationship with Link. And that sentence creeped me out.
Now I'm an avid Nintendo fan, and the Legend of Zelda is my favorite. So this crazy lady violating canon really steams my clams. Ocarina of Time was the first game in the series I played, for heaven's sake!
Oh I agree, a self-insert can be done well and comic purposes would probably be at least the safest. Bit of triva, btw, in the book "Alice in Wonderland", the Dodo was Lewis Carroll's own self-insert. This was because of his stutter and his real life name, which led him to introduce himself as "Charles Do-do-dodgeson".
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Dan Shive, of El Goonish Shive, is drawn as a squirrel boy most of the time, comeplete with the comic's random genderbending making him a girl often than not. Sure, he's basically a god being the author and all, but he only misuses power for pranks in non-canon comics.
Or Andrew Hussie, appearing as Andrew Hussie in Homestuck. Usually he's only there to troll fans, provide recaps, or, in a very memorable instant, was actually shot to death in his own comic.
It stuck too-he's still dead in the story.
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