Poem: "A Brief History of Shakespeare"

Mar 06, 2013 00:34

This poem came out of the March 5, 2013 Poetry Fishbowl.  It was inspired by a prompt from chordatesrock regarding autism and echolalia.  Shakespeare kind of turned the idea upside down, preferring the grace of memorized lines to the garble of original composition.  The following poem is a look at how the world sees him, how he sees himself, and how he got ( Read more... )

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chordatesrock March 6 2013, 07:04:50 UTC
So Shakespeare chooses these ancient sources to seem smarter? Interesting.

I wonder how the people he left behind feel about the secession. Do they worry about him?

Surprisingly, I am slightly disappointed in this poem. I don't mean to say that it's terrible, but that I'm surprised not to like it as much as Shakespeare's other poems. Perhaps I had been expecting to see more of the way ableist attitudes affected his rearing, and how they may have infected his family and even Shakespeare himself. I had been hoping to see the ramifications of that, and, to some extent, I do...

How does the sort of patriot who fought for the chance to serve his country feel about seceding from it with the people who were his enemies? Does he think he was wrong before?

I'm afraid I failed to understand one of your references. What does "you make that signal with your eyes, lieutenant, not your pants" mean?

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adeliej March 6 2013, 09:12:34 UTC
I didn't take it so much as him wanting to seem smarter, but rather being dissatisfied with his ability to compose sentences that are... beautiful, for lack of a better word. Something like 'whole', maybe? And so instead of making do with what he can create himself, he uses what others have made beautiful before him - more of an internal need for 'beauty' (while I'm using that word) than wanting to appear a certain way. (This is mostly drawn off my interpretation of Verse 5.)

YMMV, though - what was your reasoning behind how you saw the poem?

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chordatesrock March 6 2013, 18:48:15 UTC
Yes, I took it that he chose to use echolalia at all because he wasn't particularly good at putting words together and was consistently disappointed by how they turned out. What I meant with that comment was that it seems that he chooses Shakespeare quotes and quotes from other classics, as opposed to quoting the "trash, news and gossip" that it is also canon that he reads, because the classics seem smarter. Note that it might be easier for him to use the vernacular and to get quotations closer to what he means if he expanded the pool he draws them from.

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adeliej March 6 2013, 19:48:16 UTC
Oh, that's a good point - I'd missed that nuance of it.

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Thoughts ysabetwordsmith March 7 2013, 02:44:18 UTC
There are two aspects, one external (classics are respected, so people using classics may also be respected) and one internal (classics sound good to him, and he wants to sound good to himself as well as others).

Shakespeare is stubborn about wanting to speak in the mode that he prefers, and in that sense doesn't care what other people think. But he's also aware that their opinions can cost him, which can be scary, and he dislikes being thought of as stupid, so in that sense he does care.

Different layers blending through and around each other.

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siege March 6 2013, 18:57:24 UTC
"It, um, I, uh, that- that- that- word. No. Not." I can't get the words out properly unless they're arranged for me. Then it all flows.

A soldier is a soldier. He fights whom he is told, and reasons why mean less than bullets in the field. But after the war, two soldiers may go drinking together and trade stories from opposite sides.

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chordatesrock March 6 2013, 20:27:21 UTC
I see. Thank you.

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Yes... ysabetwordsmith March 7 2013, 02:48:40 UTC
That, right there. Very well framed, thank you.

Your example also reminds me how Shakespeare and Backup have related challenges, but different coping mechanisms. Backup sticks with his own words as much as possible, even if mangled, and has the echolalia tamped down to repeating single words or short phrases. He relies on other people to help him along. Shakespeare only seems to have had the one 'translator' and prefers to use quotations. Backup has a list of useful phrases and statements (like "Please wait while I put my thoughts in order") ... I should try to get that onstage at some point.

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Re: Yes... chordatesrock March 7 2013, 04:43:51 UTC
Yes, you should. It would make a good contrast with Shakespeare.

You know, it's common in disability circles to be embarrassed by other people who share your condition [ETA: obviously, only if you have a lot of internalized ableist shame]. Will Shakespeare be uncomfortable if he interacts verbally with Backup?

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Re: Yes... ysabetwordsmith March 7 2013, 06:07:09 UTC
>>Yes, you should. It would make a good contrast with Shakespeare.<<

I'll keep that in mind.

>>You know, it's common in disability circles to be embarrassed by other people who share your condition [ETA: obviously, only if you have a lot of internalized ableist shame].<<

I've noticed that. There are various possible reasons, though. Some of the others will pick up a broader range than just one-to-one.

>> Will Shakespeare be uncomfortable if he interacts verbally with Backup?<<

I'm inclined to think yes, and that it will be mutual, because they have chosen opposite coping strategies. It's likely to feel to each of them as if the other is being lazy or just irritating. Which is a problem, because Router has a perfectly clear understanding of Shakespeare's mode of communication. I think he's actually the first person who bothered to talk back in quotations.

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Re: Yes... chordatesrock March 7 2013, 06:33:41 UTC
Interesting thought.

Yes, now I want to know if there's some way to get Shakespeare onto the 3D3N base. Is there? If not, well, that's what AU fanfic is for, isn't it?

I'm picturing Backup having meltdowns and Shakespeare wanting to just shout him down (does he have any quotes that will work?) in this scenario. It's a shame, and societal ableism in Carina and Orion is to blame. How did they end up fighting, when Carina and Orion clearly have so many shared values, such as marginalizing people who don't fit in?

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Re: Yes... ysabetwordsmith March 7 2013, 07:31:09 UTC
>>Yes, now I want to know if there's some way to get Shakespeare onto the 3D3N base. Is there? If not, well, that's what AU fanfic is for, isn't it?<<

I have planned on making that connection, yes. After I've smacked the ends of the jumper cables together a few times with Router and Sam the Gardener.

>>I'm picturing Backup having meltdowns and Shakespeare wanting to just shout him down (does he have any quotes that will work?) in this scenario.<<

Yeah, that's ... disturbingly plausible. Shakespeare will clam up if he feels threatened but I suspect he gets noisy if he just feels hassled. Backup tends to lose language under stress. Shouting him down is like taking candy from a baby, it's just cruel. (See Router. See Router blow a gasket.)

>> It's a shame, and societal ableism in Carina and Orion is to blame.<<

Too true.

>> How did they end up fighting, when Carina and Orion clearly have so many shared values, such as marginalizing people who don't fit in?... )

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Re: Yes... chordatesrock March 7 2013, 08:09:33 UTC
Sounds fun.

(See Router. See Router blow a gasket.)

See the easy-to-mishandle CND-protector-of-childish-PWD dynamic defuse instantly, too, with another PWD acting as the threat.

(Will Router, Case and Port be feeling lonely among all of the autistic secessionists? Will they, perhaps, feel besieged and regret being part of it, or wonder whether Backup should've been taken home?)

What about resources?

By the way, was that poem about the oxygen-breathers and methane-breathers ever sold?

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Re: Yes... ysabetwordsmith March 8 2013, 04:41:25 UTC
>>See the easy-to-mishandle CND-protector-of-childish-PWD dynamic defuse instantly, too, with another PWD acting as the threat.<<

Possibly. It's going to be rough enough figuring out how to deal with Sam, and then Shakespeare on top of that, and just ... yow.

>>(Will Router, Case and Port be feeling lonely among all of the autistic secessionists? Will they, perhaps, feel besieged and regret being part of it, or wonder whether Backup should've been taken home?)... )

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Re: Yes... chordatesrock March 8 2013, 05:29:05 UTC
Interesting.

When I asked about resources, I meant as a cause for the war.

As far as getting to know each other, they have cipherspace for that, don't they? Further, transportation will eat up fuel. It might be better to avoid unnecessary travel at first.

What is this new society's government?

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Re: Yes... ysabetwordsmith March 9 2013, 08:34:51 UTC
>>When I asked about resources, I meant as a cause for the war.<<

Ah, okay. It's possible, but I haven't seen anything obvious that they're fighting over yet. It could be territory but I doubt it's a shortage of habitable planets.

>>As far as getting to know each other, they have cipherspace for that, don't they? Further, transportation will eat up fuel. It might be better to avoid unnecessary travel at first.<<

Some people will be satisfied with, even prefer, cipherspace connections. Others won't like being alone or with a tiny group indefinitely. Some people find it easier to get to know each other face-to-face. So they'll probably shift around a little, not a lot.

>>What is this new society's government?<<

They don't have one yet. It's a jumble of anarchy, some consensus, and leftover military organization wrapped around things like "Ask Hootowl" and "Ask Router."

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