The K-Drama Meta.
I HAVE EXAMS ON IN A FEW, WOULD YOU BELIEVE. PRAYER CIRCLE FOR MY CONTINUED ACADEMIC EXISTENCE. And in the meanwhile, I don't even believe this myself.
Female (Second) Leads: Narratives vs. Tropes:
[In Defence Of] Coffee House.
When do I suggest reading this:
- If you're not planning on watching Coffee House , because you should. I think it's ( Read more... )
Female (Second) Leads: Narratives vs. Tropes:
[In Defence Of] Coffee House.
When do I suggest reading this:
- If you're not planning on watching Coffee House , because you should. I think it's ( Read more... )
THIS IS SUCH A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER TBH, BECAUSE IT DEPENDS SO MUCH ON THE PERSON ASKING. Like, I want everyone to watch Coffee House and squee with me forever about my favorites and OTP, but I'm afraid that going into it announced and unwarned may ruin the experience and make a person dislike it. Except that half of the gloriousness comes from what may ruin it for some. THE WHOLE THING IS A MESS TO DELINEATE. JUST WATCH, BASICALLY.
LMAO, yes, read the comment threads, they may be items of your interest as Alex and I have basically being Heirs-ing it out although the tl;dr is KIM WOO BIN HAS A FACE (and occasionally wet hair).
OMG, HAI, I HAVE SO MISSED YOU BECAUSE ALL I WANT TO DO IS TALK KDRAMAS. AND GIVE ME ALL THE UNPOPULAR OPINIONS. Although tbh, I don't think there is such a thing as an 'unpopular opinion' in this standom, because I have yet to meet two people who think the same thing about anything in it, heh.
(ALSO, SURVIVE MY EXAMS?? THEY HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN (although they will at the end of the week). THEREFORE THE PRAYER CIRCLE. I SO NEED TO MIA ON FANDOM DAMMIT.)
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i'll watch. at some point. and come back to this post because i crave your pretty thoughts always <3
tbh this entire chat convo is ridiculous and you should see it. i'm in class, trying to be discreet, typing on my phone (ergo one million of typos) while alex reports all of your opinions one by one, for me to agree or disagree. and then every new thought of yours is introduced by something like "ok so back to zoe". i can't decide if it's hilar, sad or genius. but our ways of communication as a fandom are very unique lmao.
but dude :'( i think i have the only possible unpopular opinion in that i am obsessed with dissecting tan's character??? DON'T LAUGH. so while all of fandom is creying about what a boring douche he is, i'm all BUT GUYS LET'S MAKE ALL THE TAN META!!!! like the amount of my overanalytical headcanon is super gross. i'm just so interested by him as a peter pan character in the context of his relations with youngdo-and-eunsang-the-cynics.
so i have all the messy notes thrown together for a future ot3 dynamics/parallels/opposites post. maybe. which might end up being called "kim tan or the power of prophetic language". and because i just really like this title, i know proceed to tell it to everyone because if this post never happens (if real life eats me) then i want everybody to know at least that my title was cool ok.
I JUST HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS OK. /creys
OMG ALL THE PRAYING FOR YOUR EXAMS SAKJDMADJM THINKING OF YOU DEARLY!!!
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yesss, watch!! although when you start watching, you must come to me after six episodes or so and tell me what you think so I can tell you whether it'll be in your best interest to read this before going further, or not. COFFEE HOUSE MAKES ME CRYPTIC.
HAHAHAHA@yours and Alex's mode of communication!! I'm wondering if I should be jealous because you guys are communicating in my periods of non-communication, haha. BUT \O/ AT YOU BEING ALL CAUGHT UP WITH FANDOM IN MIDDLE OF CLASS.
Dude, trust me, that is not an unpopular opinion, larger fandom in general loooooves Tan. AND IF YOU READ THE COMMENTS ABOVE, I NEVER SAID TAN IS A BORING DOUCHE, I THINK HE'S UTTERLY FASCINATING. I think Tan/ES is boring. Or rather, I think he has the potential to be fascinating, except that I (and I think Alex) don't really think the narrative portrayal is self-aware at all. By now I'm pretty convinced it isn't, which is hampering my enjoyment of his dynamics some. BUT YES TO META AND HIS "PETER PAN-NESS" IS TOTALLY A THING, YOU ARE CORRECT.
"kim tan or the power of prophetic language".
^this is me at the idea.
dude, I have totally written entire academic papers on specific topics just because I thought of a cool title
I AM HERE 4 U. AND MUCH THANKS FOR YOUR PRAYERS, IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT CAN SAVE ME NOW.
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(and lol you'll be happy to know then that i finished watching ep 14 during lunch break yesterday, so literally IN CLASS. i could not be more obvious a fangirl if i tried /headdesk)
DUDE i know fandom at large prob loves tan, but i don't love him i think he's the worst. i just have a boner for the character work. and that's why i feel like we aren't watching the same show, because i just don't care all that much about the framing. i mean, don't take me wrong, i'll prob be super upset if it turns out that they endgame a super offensive version of the ship. but atm it's not really impeding with my enjoyment of the show/ship, because what i'm interested in is the construction. the narrative really talks to me on both a personal and intellectual level. so they're not really something i want to ship but i am endlessly fascinated by this dynamic. like for now i haven't spent that much time thinking about whether it's a right or a wrong ship because that doesn't really matter to me in terms of characterization. that's more a media narrative issue and even though i find it important it's not my main point of focus right now.
anyway. i have a lot of feelings. please hold me and tell me that i'm not crazy ;;; (and ilu for indulging my pompous title and askldjaökdj that drawing is so adorns omfg)
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(L O L, COME TO ME, YOU BEAUTIFUL CHILD OF FANDOM GOODNESS. I actually thought today was thursday and I'd get a new episode and I WAS SO DISAPPOINTED WHEN I REALIZED IT WAS WEDNESDAY.)
i just have a boner for the character work. and that's why i feel like we aren't watching the same show, because i just don't care all that much about the framing.
Haha, yeah, I can understand that. tbh, we're watching the same show, but in different ways. Framing is forever my favorite thing (I remember writing some 5000 word meta on it also here), so while I can enjoy Tan's characterization and aspects of his personality really fascinate me, it's never going to emotionally appeal to me, unless I think that the framing of the show is in tune with the reading that I'm deriving. This is also one of the reasons Tae-kyung and You're Beautiful completely worked for me, because there was not one moment in that show that I was not convinced that the show was levelling with me and what I was seeing was exactly what I was supposed to be seeing. I think part of this is also that I'm used to seeing wrong!ships and fascinating character-work galore, but it's the framing that makes the distinction between what I thoroughly enjoy, and where I'm just exasperated. Like, there is no lack of manipulative, stockholm-syndrome-ish dynamics in the tv-world, but whether they're always presented as such becomes a matter of personal preference and opinion, I suppose! It's not that I want Tan or Tan/Eun Sang to become different people or share a different, "right" dynamic, but the framing of their scenes would legit change the entire narrative for me.
*HOLDS* BUT DUDE, YOU ARE IN NO WAY CRAZY, AS I WAS TELLING ALEX, I JUST WISH I WAS READING IT YOUR WAY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE X TIMES MORE ENJOYABLE (listen, pompous titles are my thing, I LIVE for them omg.)
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(L m f a o :') alex said the same fucking thing morning about how she hated wednesdays because the eps came out but without subs and there was nothing left for her but brooding. Y'all are so dramatic)
Forever lol that your example of a framing that works for you is YB because as you know that's one case where the framing bugged me too much for me to just enjoy character work ;)
I dont have internet tonight (hear me cry) so i'll try working on that meta post so it can be more than just a cool, pompous title ^^
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LOL, I think I'm saved that trauma of watching episodes raw because they legit do not even come out somewhere I can watch them since half the sites people use are blocked here :x
Hahaha, I deliberately used that example of You're Beautiful BECAUSE we disagree on the subject, of course. I just wanted to emphasize that reading framing differently would probably make reactions to the same thing entirely different. :D Like, in that show, I always felt the show was completely aware of all its problematics and often parodied or subverted them, but the framing didn't work for you at all, which is kinda my position with Heirs right now, heh.
OMG, YES, GIVE ME A COOL-TITLED POST. Although now I'm seriously considering just going off till everything is over because what even am I doing here still when I should be studying!!
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