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Re: Hogwarts AU VOOOOOTE~!

[math_camel]

Robin: Slytherine, just because he has all their good qualities like cunning and he isn't quite bull-headed enough for Gryffindor.
Kid Flash: Gryffindor, because he is. Also, though he's really smart I don't think he has the love of studying and learning.
Superboy: I have no idea.
Miss Martian: Hufflepuff. Maybe Ravenclaw because she so enjoys studying human culture.
Aqua Lad: Hufflepuff. Remember how he never tries to take leadership? And even when he does he doesn't seem to like it and is trying to find a way out. The boy is all about teamwork but he doesn't have any particular ambitions.
Artemis: I don't really know yet, but I'd guess Slytherin based off of what little we know so far.
Speedy: Gryffindor. He really reminds me of James Potter and Sirius Black, he wants to be recognized as brave and awesome which is a decent chunk of Gryffindor to me.

Teachers:
Black Canary: DADA
Batman: Headmaster, or maybe Potions just for tradition.
Red Tornado: Any old subject, but something complicated like Transfigeration might be best.

In general I think we're doomed because everyone has different views on what the houses stand for.

Re: Hogwarts AU VOOOOOTE~!

[peri_peteia]

Aqua Lad: Hufflepuff. Remember how he never tries to take leadership? And even when he does he doesn't seem to like it and is trying to find a way out. The boy is all about teamwork but he doesn't have any particular ambitions

I disagree here. Kaldur has been casually giving orders, with confidence and authority, since the pilot. People weren't always listening but he instantly recognized the team's need for guidance and clearly felt that he could provide it. Outside of that one heavy-handed line trying to push the gross Robin Is The Chosen One narrative, he's never seemed remotely uncomfortable or unwilling to lead. Does he long for it in the deepest depths of his soul? Maybe not. Does he see it as a duty he's well-equipped for and ready to take on? I would argue: absolutely.

Though, completely unrelated to his leadership abilities or ambitions, he's all calm intellect, pragmatic consideration, and incisive reason. In other words, he's as Ravenclaw as water is wet.

In general I think we're doomed because everyone has different views on what the houses stand for.

This tends to be true.

Re: Hogwarts AU VOOOOOTE~!

[math_camel]

You see, I find the given definitions for the houses to be really insane and arbitrary. Like how do Lockheart, Lavender Brown and Peter Petegrew support the Gryff=Brave idea? How does Draco exhibit ambition? He's already rich! How is Zach Smith a Hufflepuff exactly? He was a little brat. Plus, how would a magical hat be able to tell this at age 11? So I think the hat generally lets people sort themselves which is supported by house affiliation running in families despite v. different personalties among them (like the Weasleys, I think Percy would have been much happier in Ravenclaw but like a kid brow beaten into going to Harvard like Grandpa instead of Berkley he goes with his family's wishes.)

So instead I use broader criteria: what that person values. Go with me here:

Gryffs want to be publicly recognized.

Slyths want to have power.

Puffs want harmony or to belong.

Claws want to be right or to learn.

Thus I put Aqualad in Hufflepuff because he values the harmony of his team over the power or recognition of the leadership position. He'll take it, for the good of the team and to lead the team into the best course of action, but he won't fight for it and would happily hand it over to someone else. Also note how good of a follower he is to his King. These are not bad qualities, a good lieutenant is worth his weight in gold (or whatever they use as currency in Atlantis) after all.

However, I might have to change Robin to Ravenclaw just because of this picture from Schooled : http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg37bhb4I81qfqg2zo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1296928603&Signature=Eua9lgTGlDdULOFNM7A3ftc97rk%3D

I'm so shallow. :)

Re: Hogwarts AU VOOOOOTE~!

[peri_peteia]

Also note how good of a follower he is to his King.

You mean like that time Aquaman was like, STAND DOWN. And Kaldur was like, NO. I DO WHAT I WANT. They've barely interacted. The fact that Kaldur was respectful to him, you know, before he went for outright rebellion to his face doesn't somehow make Kaldur inherently more suited to being a follower than a leader.

Again, Kaldur has consistently, from the very first episode, been commanding and authoritative. That's why Robin even admits that he and Flash fighting over who gets to be leader is a JOKE because it's OBVIOUSLY Kaldur. I also just fundamentally disagree that the amount of desire someone has to be leader is at all related to how good or fit they are for it.

I'm not really down with your method of Sorting, particularly since it makes the requirements for Gryffindor and Slytherin just two different kinds of ambition and makes the requirements of Ravenclaw extremely narrow, not to mention ignores various qualities that are explicitly assigned to the houses. So there's nothing really to be gained by arguing that point further.

Re: Hogwarts AU VOOOOOTE~!

[ciaan]

I also just fundamentally disagree that the amount of desire someone has to be leader is at all related to how good or fit they are for it.

YES. Aqualad's whole "I will accept this burden" line made me love him EVEN MORE. He's not power-mad, he's not domineering, he's not any of the bad or selfish things that drive some people to want to order others around. He just knows what needs to happen to get the job done right and save people, so he will be responsible.

And I also agree with you on how utterly unsupported in the cartoon the idea of Robin as leader is. Aqualad has been leading well all along, and this Robin would suck at it.

Robin in Slytherin?

[math_camel]

Actually, Robin's really, really bull-headed. I mean Christ, he's the not-sidekick of the Goddamn Batman. Being pointlessly stubborn (or a better term for it: having an indomitable will) is in the guidebook for Robins.

I know a lot of people point out that Slytherin isn't meant to, by definition, to be a negative house. Regardless, let's look at everyone that came out of it. Snape, of the majority, was the only decent one and he was pretty much an ass. (Correct me if I missed any here, guys). Looking at how Rowling sorts most of the characters, I really, really doubt that she would put Robin in Slytherin.

Most of the Slytherin characters allow their ambitions to over ride their moral judgement. Now, I know that Batman condones beating baddies past what their needed beating. And I know that Robin, trained by him, is probably capable of the same. But I really do believe that, of all the heroes, Batman is the most moral-centered character. You just can't corrupt him. Robin's pretty much an extension of that. His morals wouldn't allow his ambitions to over power him. So basically, the major flaw of the Slytherin house (power corrupts) wouldn't be something I could honestly see Robin suffering from.

Re: Robin in Slytherin?

[merrytook92]

I honestly have no clue where to put him.

He, like the rest of YJ, has the heart of a hero (Gryffindor), but at the same time lacks the impulsive, dive-in-head-first-without-thinking thing that Wally (and HP) has. He is definitely bull-headed and is going to eventually make a phenom leader. But also wins the battle through cunning and deception (all those smoke screens and whatnot). So, Slytherin, yeah? I just don't think you can go judging the house by the people who come out of it, though. Peter Pettigrew? Holla?

Batman is the most moral-centered character. You just can't corrupt him. Robin's pretty much an extension of that. His morals wouldn't allow his ambitions to over power him Totes agree here. Which almost makes him sound Hufflepuff. Just and loyal all the way. Idek. My sorting hat has been officially stumped.

Re: Robin in Slytherin?

[math_camel]

Peter Pettigrew is a very good example of that... But he still did the right thing at the end of the series. Granted, it was more than a little overdue.

Robin's just too hard to place. I really, really, can't conceed to him being in Slytherin. It frustrates me when people throw him in there; he's too selfless to be put in there. If anything, you're right and he does do best in Hufflepuff. His dedication to Gotham and his teammates shows that.

Gryffindor... well, Robin's not really... we'll say naive enough to be in there. I want to put him in there because Gryffindor happens to be my preferred house, but I doubt that Robin would forsake common sense that much. Also, 'hero' isn't the first word that comes to mind when thinking of Robin. Yeah, he saves the day and everything, but Batman and Robin aren't your friendly neighborhood Spiderman or Big Blue Boy scouts. So I totally agree with you on both accounts.

I guess Ravenclaw's the best house for him. They're just so... not athletic. Or maybe that's just me.

Personally, I think that there needs to be a special house made for members of the Bat Family. We'll call it... Gotharin.

Re: Robin in Slytherin?

[merrytook92]

I guess Ravenclaw's the best house for him. They're just so... not athletic. Or maybe that's just me. Their Quiddich team begs to differ! ;) In every book when Harry is out of commission they are the in the final showdown against Slytherin. I think that has to amount for something. I also like to think of Cho Chang as a jock. That's why Harry likes her, no? Pretty and competitive at sports.

I want to put him in there because Gryffindor happens to be my preferred house Saaamme. Which makes me soo incredibly biased.

Robin is perfect for all the houses. hahah Gotta love that boy.

I guess my final vote goes as:
Robin- Slytherin/Ravenclaw/Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (paahah)
Kid Flash- Gryffindor
Aqualad- Ravenlaw
M'gann- Hufflepuff
Superboy- Gryffindor

Re: Robin in Slytherin?

[math_camel]

"Most of the Slytherin characters allow their ambitions to over ride their moral judgement."

Okay, I agree with what you say. But you also said Most.

So... Then isn't that a good reason to put Robin in Slytherin? Just to give Slythrins a new name.
I agree, I do think Rowling cast Slytherin's in a bad light, and I didn't really like that, they have so much more potential! Harry is a perfect example of someone that could have been a Slytherin (Either Griffyndor or Slytherin, he fit perfectly into each. Remember, it was his choice to go into Gryffindor.) and we all know his character, hes an overall good guy, but because he was put in Gryffyndor instead of Slytherin, that potential is not at all proven in the books and their cast as being mostly evil and for reals, that's not cool.

I see Slytherin's as being ambitious and devious yes, but also extremely loyal. And Robin fits that, he's loyal to hisfamily and his friends, and not to mention being a devious little trickster as well as ambitious to prove himself.

Also, while Robin fits into Griffyndor, I would like to him in Slytherin to have the members of the team, at least one in each house, to show the diversity in their friendship. Because really, their a group of misfits, each different from the other, and while they do have their clashing differences, they're learning to work together, and I think that's something that would be perfect to show in a Hogwarts fic, cuz seriously, the division of Houses and how the students only seem to hang with their own House mates kind of annoys me. I really don't want that. (Also lol I want it to be that Wally and Robin be like best friends and everyone to be like WTF, a Gryffindor and a Slytherin!? How does that work?! And yeah...)

Robin: Slytherin
KF: Gryffindor
M'gann: Hufflepuff
Kaldur: Ravenclaw
Supey: (This, I'm not actually sure....) Probably Gryffindor
Artemis: I'm thinking Slytherin (Ambitious, and devious...) but also could fit Griffyndor. I can sooo see her being put in Gryffindor and Wally being like "Oh crap..." lol
Speedy: Uh, Slytherin?.... He's extremely ambitious and kind of a grumpy pants too... but Loyal to his friends!!

So, ya... That was my little ramble.... (Hope this debate gets sorted out soon!...)

Re: Robin in Slytherin?

[dr_harbinger]

I honestly would place Robin in Ravenclaw. He's a smart kid, smarter than most, and while he certainly has factors of bravery and loyalty that could put him in Gryffindor and Hufflepuff, I think he's too cerebral, too focused on knowledge to belong to houses that focus on other traits. Slytherin wouldn't fit him either because he's not a particularly ambitious boy. He seems more than content enough with being Batman's sidekick and doesn't mind being called such a thing so he's definitely not a Slytherin.

So my selections would be

Robin - Ravenclaw
KF - Gryffindor ( he stands up to people when he needs to and doesn't mind jumping head first into things that are very very dangerous )
M'gann - Hufflepuff
Kaldur - Ravenclaw ( he's too calm and strategic to be a Gryffindor )
Superboy - Hufflepuff ( he's loyal to a fault and vicious like a disgruntled badger! His bravery, I think, comes from the fact that he's practically invincible.)
Artemis - Slytherin ( wouldn't put it passed her to give up her teammates for something that's beneficial to her )
Speedy - Slytherin ( He's ambitious and willing to do almost anything to get the job done )

Re: Robin in Slytherin?

[hearttooread]

You know, I actually really like your selection. Dammit! lol Way to influence my earlier thoughts on this. But really though, I get it, and its split pretty evenly among the houses (except for Wally lol But he gets placed with out fav Hogwarts trio!) and it just really fits with a lot of their more prominent traits.
Hope this gets written soon!... (Oh by the way, I'm the Anon you we're replying too :D)

Oh, and on another note... have you read the Fill on Hogwarts with Bruce as the Potions Master? lol Its good!! But I wouldn't mind another one.... ^_^

Re: Robin in Slytherin?

[math_camel]

The thing that in the end utterly killed my love for "Harry Potter" is that the real definition of the houses is:

Gryffindor: 3D, fully rounded characters with strengths and weakness.

Everyone Else: Caricatures, with maybe one exception.

Could you judge Gryffindor fully from Ron, Hermione, or Harry, or are they each fairly unique individuals?

And yet you have to judge Hufflepuff almost sole on Cedric, Ravenclaw on Luna (who is probably atypical for anywhere), Slytherin on Snape and Draco (and Draco makes a lousy Sytherin by the hat's definition, he's less ambitious than he is about maintaining his family's status quo, he's only clever in book 6, usually he's an extremely obvious bully).

JKR writes Slytherin as the designate bad guys. She never really acknowledges that someone who is truly impressed with their own cleverness would probably not go around broadcasting "I'm evil, I have power". I love put Ed Eldric from "Fullmetal Alchemist" in Slytherin, because he may be the hero but he seems to get more glee out of outthinking his adversaries than out of overpowering them.

I like Robin in Slytherin, because he and Batman are not power-centered. They can stand as equals with their meta-human teammates because they can out think pretty much anyone. Maybe Tim's a better fit than Dick, but Dick's no slouch at running mental circles around others.

From the Luna example (and Hermione/Snape not being in Ravenclaw) implies Ravenclaw is about knowledge for the sake of knowledge. Hermione is knowledge as a path to a better world and Snape is knowledge equals power. Robin's word games are a bit of knowledge for knowledge but mostly he's not ivory tower enough to be Ravenclaw.