Что было

Dec 20, 2017 12:06

Практически ровно год назад, 23 декабря, я запостил большой опрос -- "Что будет" -- о том, что произойдет в 2017 году ( Read more... )

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rsokolov December 20 2017, 21:51:07 UTC
Горсуч не был известен своей оппозицией абортам и о его текущей позиции у противников абортов есть сомнения.

Despite effusive praise from numerous pro-life and pro-family leaders, this man is NOT, as Trump has repeatedly been told, another Scalia. In my view, the President has been misled - although Gorsuch does have praiseworthy characteristics as a justice and has made some excellent, major rulings.

But can we trust that he will courageously rule as the nation desperately needs him to rule on all of the most crucial issues? I think there are now legitimate doubts, although on many issues he will likely rule well.

During day three of the Senate confirmation hearings, Gorsuch was asked by Senator Dick Durbin whether the intentional taking of unborn life is wrong.

He responded, "The Supreme Court of the United States has held in Roe v. Wade that a fetus is not a person, for purposes of the 14th Amendment. That [decision] is the law of the land. I accept the law of the land."

To me, there was something unnerving about how far he went in accepting the current realities of that horrendous decision that was based on lies and deliberate misinterpretation of the Constitution.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/blogs/neil-gorsuch-is-not-another-scalia

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yakov_a_jerkov December 20 2017, 21:56:34 UTC
Alright, let's change it to "Не назначит" then.

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rsokolov December 20 2017, 22:02:35 UTC
Поскольку автором формулировки вопроса был я, поясню, почему я ее выбрал.

Было понятно, что Трамп назначит консерватора, и не назначит откровенного сторонника права на аборт.

Но в этих пределах были возможны варианты

But Pryor is controversial: He once criticized the Supreme Court’s 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion, as “the worst abomination of constitutional law in our history.”

Поэтому когда Трамп выбрал Горсуча, я не рассторился.

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rsokolov December 20 2017, 22:09:43 UTC
хаха

Сам-то я выбрал более пессимистичный вариант, оказывается.

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tijd December 20 2017, 22:18:53 UTC
Это мнение какого-то блоггера. Мягко говоря, не слишком умного.

Он же - о недавних выборах в Алабаме:

"Doug Jones owes Soros big time. That will certainly translate into voting and other actions as a U.S. senator that must advance the Soros New World Order. He is now a Soros puppet."
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/alabama-election-gives-george-soros-dangerous-influence-in-us-senate

Я вам приводил мнение президента Susan B. Anthony List - крупнейшей организации борцов с абортами: “There’s no question that the Supreme Court justice, Neil Gorsuch, is a complete success.”

The anti-abortion advocacy group Susan B. Anthony List celebrated Judge Neil Gorsuch’s confirmation to the Supreme Court on Friday, touting it as the first completed promise by President Trump to anti-abortion advocates.
“This day makes that torturous primary and a grueling general election all worth it,” Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser told USA TODAY. “It’s just a day of great jubilation.”
Anti-abortion advocates backed Gorsuch, a conservative judge from Colorado, because they saw his opinions from his time in the lower courts as confirmation that his rulings on future cases will be favorable to them.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/07/susan-b-anthony-list-gorsuchs-confirmation-promise-kept-trump/100171536/

Нил Горсач пока что оправдывает репутацию крайне правого судьи и в основном солидаризируется с Кларенсом Томасом. В 1992 Томас присоединился к особому мнению: “We believe that Roe was wrongly decided, and that it can and should be overruled consistently with our traditional approach to stare decisis in constitutional cases.”



Gorsuch, in fact, may settle to the right of Scalia. In each of the 15 cases he’s weighed in on so far, Gorsuch has sided with the court’s single most conservative member, Justice Clarence Thomas. More than that, he’s joined every concurring opinion that Thomas has issued so far. That is, he didn’t just agree with Thomas on the outcomes of the case but also with the reasoning by which those outcomes were reached.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/neil-gorsuch-is-paying-off-for-trump-so-far/

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yakov_a_jerkov December 21 2017, 03:06:03 UTC
Мягко говоря, не слишком умного.

What are you saying? His example is not representative? :)

Я, все же, думаю, что если есть сторонники запрета абортов, которые не уверены в Горсаче, то ответ "не назначит". Плюс, этот вопрос предложил rsokolov, так что пусть будет его вариант ответа.

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rsokolov December 21 2017, 04:01:35 UTC
Этот "блогер" нашелся по третьей ссылке в Гугле в ответ на запрос Gorsuch+pro life.

Дело не в том, что сомневающиеся в Горсуче пролайферы вообще есть, а в том, что их сомнения вполне обоснованы, и что у Трампа была куда более надежная в этом отношении кандидатура.

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tijd December 21 2017, 05:12:10 UTC
Их сомнения обоснованы не более, чем их же уверенность, что Даг Джонс - марионетка Сороса. Но придётся довериться информации из третьей попавшейся ссылке в Гугле.

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tijd December 22 2017, 04:44:28 UTC
Мнение одного ебанутого блоггера не является репрезентативным.

Не только Susan B. Anthony List, но и все другие известные организации борцов за запрет абортов с энтузиазмом поддержали назначение Горсача и боролись за его утверждение Сенатом.

Breitbart приводит их высказывания после утверждения:

National pro-life leaders are celebrating the confirmation of Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court as a huge “win for the pro-life movement.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/07/leaders-applaud-gorsuch-confirmation-win-pro-life-movement/

В письме в Сенат, которое подписали лидеры 60 организаций борцов с абортами говорилось:

On behalf of the millions of members of our national and state-based pro-life and pro-family organizations listed below, we urge your support for the confirmation of Neil Gorsuch, a judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit, to the U.S. Supreme Court.
http://www.lifenews.com/2017/03/20/60-pro-life-groups-ask-senate-to-confirm-judge-neil-gorsuch-for-the-supreme-court/

В их петиции приводилось обоснование:

We support Judge Neil Gorsuch because:
1. He has sided with Hobby Lobby and Little Sisters of the Poor in their battle to stop the Obama Administration from forcing them to pay for abortion-causing drugs.
2. He sided with the state of Utah in its battle to defund the Planned Parenthood abortion business that kills over 320,000 unborn children every year.
3. Judge Gorsuch has said "human life is intrinsically valuable" and that "intentional killing is always wrong."
4. Like his predecessor Justice Antonin Scalia, Judge Gorsuch opposes using the courts for judicial activism and creating rights such as abortion.
https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/vote-to-confirm-supreme-court-nominee-neil-gorsuch.html

rsokolov конечно друг, но истина дороже.

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