I am completely devastated about Nadia's dying. And you're so right about the death scene- where is the Sloane they've been shoving at us for two years? And Renée slayed me too- it was horrible. Fuckers indeed.
And yes, I am glad we got some time with her- especially the Jack/Nadia interaction, which was fantastic, and wowwrongbadhot and I loved it- but I don't think I can ever forgive TPTB for killing Nadia. Ever. Especially that way. Although I do this Mia is a fine actress for doing what she did with what she was given.
I had pretty much figured that Nadia was a goner -- no specific spoilers, but it just made sense to me -- so I was braced for it. That said, I thought the scene in which they killed her was just wretched, and though Alias has had some flat scenes, I don't think they've ever had such an important scene fall that flat.
(FWIW, I know we haven't seen the last of Mia, even though Nadia is dead, so we get some other scenes to consider. At least we can see her pretty pretty face.)
Renee was as good as dead when she slipped out of the opening credits, but I was shocked it happened here.
Be not sad. I know it's small and cheap, but in my heart I feel that, if Nadia died, Jack will live, because there's no WAY they'd kill Syd's sister AND her father. Right? Right?
I was always hearing whispers of her being a goner, but then they kept saying Mia was signed on for more episodes, so I thought she was safe. And I especially thought she was safe around Sloane because I am a sentimental fool when it comes to him. And it was a very unfair way to kill her.
And I'll be thrilled to see Mia in other scenes but... still. Nadia. Gone.
I never watch the new opening credits, and if I had, I would've just attributed that to her being demoted to "recurring." Not "dead." And right at the end, and it was horrible.
No, Yahtzee, the end is near. They might very well kill off Jack too, because it doesn't matter what the audience thinks anymore, they're going off the air regardless. And my reaction to Nadia's death will pale in comparison to what I'll do if Jack dies.
(Perish the thought. He won't. He won't. They can't do that to us, too!)
If they were going to have Nadia die b/c of Sloane's Rambaldi obsession -- you know, SELL it. Don't have her slip on soap in the bathtub, or the living-room equivalent thereby. Thematically, it's absolutely right; as presented, it was completely wrong.
Renee's death, OTOH, worked. Renee trusted no one; then she trusted Syd just the littlest bit, and that tiny sliver of trust is what destroyed her. Simple and perfect, and even though the audience was not nearly as invested in Renee as in Nadia, her death really carried a whollop because it was done right.
I don't think they'll kill Jack -- unless he dies Saving Sydney, which I've always thought could be the end, but after Nadia's death, I don't believe it. I also just upped my personal odds of Irina making it out of this alive.
As I said above -- Renee's death was powerful, despite the character's ancillary relationship to the show, because it was done right. Nadia's death was terrible because it was something important done wrong.
If asked to choose between Rambaldi and Nadia in an instant like that, the Sloane they've shown us for the past two and a half years would instantly choose Nadia. He might be LYING about that choice, or go back on it later, but there would be none of this "don't make me choose!" nonsense.
Yes, that's it exactly. I think that they could have brought him to the point where he would hesitate, but we didn't see any of that, and especially after the scene he and Nadia had just before, it seemed completely out of character for him to waver like that. The scene needed to be so much better than it was.
The most maddening thing about it is that it IS thematically right. Nadia dies for his obsession, just at the moment when Sloane is so very nearly free of it. And she dies believing herself betrayed far more deeply than she ever has been. Despite the structure being there, the execution was just unbelievably hamhanded. Like I said -- Alias has had clunker scenes before, like all shows, but I cannot think of another scene so important handled badly, and very few unimportant scenes handled with that degree of ineptitude. Honestly, this is almost Marshall's-wedding bad. And Marshall's wedding didn't matter (except to Marshall.)
Well, we know for sure that Nadia was Sloane's daughter; that potential reveal of parentage will never happen now. Which means the WowWrongBadHot can live safely in the 90,000 AUs I started writing in my head an hour ago.
I agree, that scene did kind of blow. And I would think nothing with Ron and Mia could. Or, really, anything with even just Ron in it. The blocking was a bit weird, too.
The Renee death shocked and slayed me, though. Kudos to them. I hope those are the last that die. I really don't like character death. :(
Not everything in the episode was excellent, but some of it was, and the rest of it was at least good and smooth enough that the Nadia-death scene stands out as aberrant. I wonder if it was rewritten/reshot? If so, damn, should've kept the first draft. It didn't work, and it so, so needed to work.
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And yes, I am glad we got some time with her- especially the Jack/Nadia interaction, which was fantastic, and wowwrongbadhot and I loved it- but I don't think I can ever forgive TPTB for killing Nadia. Ever. Especially that way. Although I do this Mia is a fine actress for doing what she did with what she was given.
I am so sad, Yahtzee.
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(FWIW, I know we haven't seen the last of Mia, even though Nadia is dead, so we get some other scenes to consider. At least we can see her pretty pretty face.)
Renee was as good as dead when she slipped out of the opening credits, but I was shocked it happened here.
Be not sad. I know it's small and cheap, but in my heart I feel that, if Nadia died, Jack will live, because there's no WAY they'd kill Syd's sister AND her father. Right? Right?
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And I'll be thrilled to see Mia in other scenes but... still. Nadia. Gone.
I never watch the new opening credits, and if I had, I would've just attributed that to her being demoted to "recurring." Not "dead." And right at the end, and it was horrible.
No, Yahtzee, the end is near. They might very well kill off Jack too, because it doesn't matter what the audience thinks anymore, they're going off the air regardless. And my reaction to Nadia's death will pale in comparison to what I'll do if Jack dies.
(Perish the thought. He won't. He won't. They can't do that to us, too!)
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Renee's death, OTOH, worked. Renee trusted no one; then she trusted Syd just the littlest bit, and that tiny sliver of trust is what destroyed her. Simple and perfect, and even though the audience was not nearly as invested in Renee as in Nadia, her death really carried a whollop because it was done right.
I don't think they'll kill Jack -- unless he dies Saving Sydney, which I've always thought could be the end, but after Nadia's death, I don't believe it. I also just upped my personal odds of Irina making it out of this alive.
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Yes, that's it exactly. I think that they could have brought him to the point where he would hesitate, but we didn't see any of that, and especially after the scene he and Nadia had just before, it seemed completely out of character for him to waver like that. The scene needed to be so much better than it was.
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And that was a date. Date date date.
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The Renee death shocked and slayed me, though. Kudos to them. I hope those are the last that die. I really don't like character death. :(
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Renee's death, OTOH, was outstanding.
I suspect more will die. :(
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