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xploded_tb October 24 2010, 10:16:41 UTC
Very, very thin. I've tried once, till only 1 word could be written since it's squashed to the very corner. Then well, I just stopped. xD;;

I would like to be a professional translator. That'll be awesome. Learning languages is part of my life anyway.

I'll check those movies out when everything is over. :D And heard of Ghost in the Shell, they all say it's good.

I know, you could be, but I took a guess instead. I dunno. You just don't sound so Indo like I thought so...

I know I heard about the sodomy case. Anwar (? Is that how you spell?) no. It did cause a lot of uproar so...yeah. It was quite the talk at my school too.

I do have an account at MT, and I take some stuffs from there, but I don't think I will want to right now since they did that to the JR scans (BOTH!) and your comment. I think I'll keep the account there to warn them in the future. Or something.

MF is efficient in taking down manga, because they have relatively efficient mods. If anyone's uploading the scans/chapters, those are the members themselves. So once the representative of the scanlation group posts a thread at those MF forums, they remove it rather swiftly. This is the reason why I also read MF because I think they at least make an effort to go through the scanlators before allowing works to be posted up. They also have a list of scanlators too.

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kumagoro87 October 24 2010, 21:39:14 UTC
Lol, one word? That's bad, I think if it comes down to that, we should try pm or emailing each other. :D It'll be a bitch to read from LJ...

That's great! Maybe you can provide better translations for licensed manga D8! Now all we need are competent publishers who will hire good editors and at least pay for some typeface in their fonts!

Sadly, I haven't mastered Bahasa Indon, so I'll just have to get my friends to teach me! It's almost similar to Malay right? Right?!

Ugh, that sodomy case is such a drag... D: And yea, it's Anwar all right.

Yea, keep your MT account to troll around and scare people out of their pants. I have an account in Nihonmaru (omg!! WHY!) just to do that. Well, to keep track of files...

One thing I don't like about MF is that they allow users to upload files themselves and the modding process doesn't check whether it's allowed or not before approving. I know it's hard to go to every site available to check their policy regarding distribution of files, but the uploader should be held responsible for it. I'd say ban that ass or something D8!

But, I hate the community there. So, meh, you won't see me joining any time soon. :D

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xploded_tb October 25 2010, 02:07:30 UTC
It's okay. Here's fine since you can just click the subject and it'll show you all of them. Just...well, not too excessively speaking. xD;; It's going to stop somewhere anyway~

Hopefully! I hear about some people disliking the official releases because such a shoddy, sloppy work has been done to the manga, even scanlation brings more justice for that piece of work.

Errrr. Malaysian Malay is probably closer to Indon Bahasa, so yeah. If you're from Singapore, the Malay is a far cry from Indon Bahasa. :X

I also have an account at Nihonomaru, I go by ETB. xD Sooooo. Yeah. I leave it there to just pick up information, and also check that they aren't stealing links and putting things here and there. So far, Nihonomaru hasn't done shit like that. Which is good. But I do check back once in awhile to make sure.

Yeah, I'm sure the files just run through the database and then it just gets uploaded, which also explains why sometimes the order of the pages gets screwed up. Banning? I'm not too sure. I know they're efficient in banning people who are spammy, trolls or just plain rude and insulting.

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kumagoro87 October 25 2010, 02:46:42 UTC
I just have to click on "parent" all the time when I comment then. That way we can seriously test how thin it's going to be =p We shall continue until we run out of topic to rant about!!

Scanlators usually spends more time and love on a chapter than official releases. Passion > Income for us, and Income > Passion for publishers. But some scanlators do such a crappy job speed scans are shitI ended up buying Jap tanks. Thank god I could read them, or else... D8 I don't want to suffer through badly typeset manga!

LOL, where have you been! There's so much drama when it comes to nihonmaru that most uploaders/scanner hates that forum!! I don't even know where to begin! Only reason why I even had an account there in the first place was to follow one of the drama. There were bloodsheds!

They'll ban people who's rude to them but why not some of the retards who spams the same post over and over again. They sound like kids when they do that but when you stare at their profile page, they're definitely of legal age. Gosh, I feel so mean today. *hides*

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xploded_tb October 25 2010, 08:34:23 UTC
Yeah. I usually do that until there's no space for that, or there's just nothing to say! xDD;;

That's very true, which is why there are so many fans who prefer scanlations. Also why scanlations, though seemingly harmless, may pose as a great danger for lots of publishers, even as it's just illegal. :X I understand that, and I'm glad I can read both Chinese and Japanese scans. Well, Japanese not so good since I only probably have about...elementary 2 or 3 level of experience with Japanese.

:O Where is that drama anyway? I don't see any at the downloads section, with JR. Or AnD. I'm watching the AnD one though, especially since Zama just released a new chapter. Gonna see if anyone puts it up. D<

Oh, they just warn people not to double post, and then combine their posts or something. That's...well. THERE'S ALWAYS THE CHILDREN IN US~ those that don't ever grow up, well, good luck to them

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kumagoro87 October 26 2010, 07:15:28 UTC
LOL, I shall not believe we'll run out of topic! Heck I'll create one if I have to <3!! Lets aim for 1 letter column!

I wouldn't say scanlation's harmless, but I think the publisher's most probably aiming at those scanned licensed books instead. I think that's more harmful. :D Anyway, I wouldn't buy anymore licensed manga since the trauma I had. UGH! I demand my money back!

Well, I took one on one classes with my sensei for 3 years, we didn't really cover much grammar more like I've completely forgotten already at the later stage. But what I love about the class is that he gave me so many articles to read and I had to translate them from Japanese to English. I think that's why I can read better than I write. I never took any JLPT exams to test myself, but my bf's always teasing my grammar can't blame me!!.

I find having to know how to read Chinese helps with Japanese. But it's also bad 'cause I tend to skip learning grammar properly when I already understand the text thanks to Kanji. D:

The drama? It happened around a year ago I think. But everything happened in PM and you've gotta follow the user on LJ to read about it. :D You can look it up at greenleaf1309 journal. :D

Well, MF's pretty much a lost case to me. As long as they obey whatever the publisher says and take down licensed links, I'm fine with them. The community, as long as I don't look at the forums (my scanlation group's leader, aka my sis loves to send me links just so we can get pissed of together), I'm fine. MT on the other hand... Fck those bastards. D8<

Btw, our scanlation group recently created a sub-group just for BL, think you're interested in joining us :D? Website isn't up yet since the dude's still coding the layout. \o/

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xploded_tb October 26 2010, 08:52:34 UTC
Yeah, the licensed ones are the biggest issue right now. Seeing OM and MangaToshokan, I'm...honestly a little scared for scanlators. :X

I'm not taking JLPT, but I'm taking Japanese Ab Initio (as the name suggests, beginner) at IB level. After these exams, I'll be freeeeee~ And that means doing whatever I want~ Looooong break before university. :3

Yeah. Having Chinese as part of my roots makes things even easier.

Oh, that journal also has loads of scanlations etc up no? Or was it RAWs...I'll have a look and see. xD;;

Sorryyy, your scans group? The name? XD *stabs self* HAH. I know, sometimes when I look at the forums I just go, "These are either trolls or people who just have too much time. Which means they are definitely trolls."

Oh. What type of BL specifically? If anything, I can only handle works that have furigana within. No furigana = die. I might gradually be able to leave furigana since I will be taking Japanese language as my university course, getting also a degree for that. Any works that you may want to be picking up?

Also, the website as in...here, LJ comm or a completely new scanlation website? :3

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kumagoro87 October 26 2010, 09:24:56 UTC
Scanlators shouldn't have anything to fear. I mean, at least the publishers are giving them warning wtih C&D letters. If the scanlators still continue scanlating the series even with the letter, then that'll be a problem.

O.O I didn't know that exist. Most of the companies in Japan, when they're hiring foreigners, they're always looking for at least level 2 JLPT level. So I thought everybody has to take that exam.

Loads of raws, but I think she's reached the limit of friends she can add. And all her BL raws/chinese scans are friend locked.

XD You didn't know? Well, not my scan group, it's my sister's which I'm helping out with almost everything except proofreading and QC-ing. I need people to look after my crap. :D It's Ochibichan-scans. We're only doing shoujo now, and we're trying to move onto BL but to do that we have to separate the group to prevent crazy shoujo fangirls from coming after us. Funny thing is, half the staff likes BL. We tend to have BL inserts in our releases and one of the readers bitched about us corrupting innocent people's mind and that we should just stuff that BL crap up our ass. :D Lesson learnt. Shoujo fangirls are crazy.

Trolls? Does that apply to those hikikomori in 2ch? They're just so damn free to post so much crap in a day.

I still don't know which title we should pick up next. Currently we have 2 projects, one is Hanamai Koeda de Aimashou which I just finish translating and another by the same mangaka, Amayadori wa Basu-tei de which I've already started translating.

I hope we could get some ideas on what other projects we can pick up by the end of the month so I could send the books to the scanner (my sis all the way in Malaysia) to scan them. Any ideas which titles you'd like to do? You can list out all the titles you're interested in and we'll just shortlist them.

After experiencing so much crappy new editors who just leave before even finishing 1 chapter, we're going get every editors to work on one title before moving on to another. So, we're releasing by volumes this time. :D

Specifically, none I guess? But I hope to get projects that has substance, instead of just PWP. But PWP is the easier to translate, but hell to edit thanks to all the overlapping sfx, like sekaiichi... I'll check for you whether the manga has furigana or not. I think some publisher's work doesn't have them. If not, I'll start hunting for Chinese scans. Shouldn't be too hard, right?

A completely new scanlation website, our own domain and all since the same guy who's hosting our current site's hosting the subgroup too. :D We're not so anal about file distribution 'cause there's no way we can really control them. Besides, wordpress is wonderful!

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xploded_tb October 26 2010, 10:31:04 UTC
Yeah I'm sure I'm going to take the JLPT someday. I'm just taking it with the IB board of examinations, so that I get my bloody diploma to get to university. :3

Yeah. Don't really want them...Lazy to friend and try to get. You get like, 1200 friends max, or was it 1000 friends max or something. LOL.

Oh~ why is it even shoujo? XD I thought you said your sister is a crazy BL fan? I know. Well, to each his own - there are crazy fangirls at both sides, and extreme ones at both sides, can't blame them no? ;D

LOL. I don't even go to websites like 4chan or something like that. I'm lagging behind a little...

I guess I could help you proofread if you ever need help as well. I currently have no idea what to translate etc since I don't possess things like tankoubon, unless I can get it off Kino (which is quite impossible, really, Singapore) or somehow, somewhere. *shrugs* I know Tanaka Suzuki has a work, Muchuu no Hito, but well, no one scanlates it, and also because it has no furigana. :X Which means it's hard for me to read as well. D: I took it off Nihonomaru

I know~ I actually HATE translating SFX, compared to speech. I dunno why. >>; And I always see editors etc going crazy with re-drawing certain tiny bits etc just because they are OCD with cleaning. AKA banane_frite xD

Goodness, throw me Chinese scans anytime. I'm not taking (well, 'taken') Chinese at higher level in IB for nothing! :O I've been speaking it for as long as I can remember, so I can do translations easily for you guys. If there are any to offer. You can list me as a Chinese translator (or backup).

Oh~ Okay. Basically, no re-upping them anywhere else at different host sites randomly, but posting your DDL to other places are okay?

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kumagoro87 October 26 2010, 10:57:46 UTC
:D Good luck with your exams! I think I've been saying that for the past few days...

I don't even know they put a limit to the amount of friends you'll have... Usually I just get jdownloader to download my manga for me. I just copy the link and the program's clever enough to pick it up. :D

4chan's like wanna be version of 2ch. D: They have some of the most retarded shit ever...

I think you'll have to fight with our proofreaders for scripts. But, sure, if you're interested, drop us a mail. But, naomii has the final say in the application since I'll just take everybody regardless if they're able or not. As for translations, don't worry about tanks, we'll give you scans. :D

Oo, if you don't mind, we could get Muchuu no Hito, I'm currently downloading the file on emule, hopefully there's seed for it. The title's ongoing though...

LOL isn't it good to be OCD. I'm like that too. I clean and redraw everything, just got to have the page textless before I pass it on to the typesetter. :D Did I mention I hate sfx translations? Especially when it comes to smut?

I shall list you as a Chinese/JP translator. I'll get back to you once I buy Muchuu no Hito. :D Thanks for joining us!

No no, they can reup/redistribute anywhere, we really don't care, as long as they credit us and remove the links once it's licensed, provided they use their own link of course. No hotlinking the DDL since the site and the files are hosted by different people. :D We sorta have a limit for the files for now...

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xploded_tb October 26 2010, 14:04:35 UTC
LOL. Thanks again.

orly! What is that, 3rd party also? XD

Yeah it's ongoing. I have vol 1 raw, took it off nihono but then can't read it to save my own life since it's got quite a load of kanji that I will need to spend time searching for...>>;

I know. They slap SFX all over the place it's just crazy. :3

Welcome! I'll see what I can do. Just giving a liiiiittle warning: if I tend to slack off, I just do, so shoot me. xD;;

Oh~ You're doing it differently. xD We want people to be using the exact same links that we have provided for them, instead of them re-upping. Then again, that's for licensed works. ;3 In any case, I'll most likely stop scans of JR once the job hunting bit for Misaki is over. Unless y'know, Ijuuin is the final character that will sorta be appearing to break Misaki and Usagi apart, and there's no more story after this, meaning the end, I'll just finish scans with it. xD

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kumagoro87 October 26 2010, 20:18:00 UTC
Jdownloader isn't third party, it's like a download manager which you can download everything from youtube clips to magaupload files. :D

Well, could you check with sooky whether she's wants to joint with us or not? But if we're going to do a joint, I guess the both of you have to fight it out who's going to do the translations... Or you could PR the book, or something... :D Yea... Anyway, if you're not free, I could contact her myself... I'm going to buy the book instead of using public raw files 'cause the quality just sucks.

LOL, worry not, I'll hound you for scripts!! And besides, if you're translating, maybe I could focus more on editing and help my co-head with the workload. :D

Yea, well, DDL links has bandwidth limit, they could reuse all the free host links, just not the DDL links, we'll get chewed by the provider...

Omg why did Ijyuuin-sensei do that when he has such an awesomely hot editor working for him!! D: Don't go after Misaki please! Set your sights higher!! JR's ending soon? Please tell me it is!!

PS: Do you have an email I could contact you with? That way I can give you a more precise account of our group's policy and how we run things. :D

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xploded_tb October 27 2010, 03:59:44 UTC
Oh, that's cool. :O Maybe I'll get that one day when I renew my laptop...

And I thought eMule was 3rd party then?

I dunno. I saw she did mention on her LJ somewhere, but I don't remember where. I don't enjoy collaboration work, and I don't like asking people this and that. xD I dunno why, I always feel like I annoy people when I ask this and ask that. And well, okay. I can really only do the Chinese scans, but the Japanese ones I...think it's too hard. I don't like things without furigana. T.T

Dunno~ I put up summaries for it on my LJ, actually. For chapters 24 and 26. He might be doing it on purpose to make Usagi angry. xD;; I dunno. Ijuuin feels a little like the last straw that Nakamura-sensei can pull. I dunno if she can come up with more ideas.

Yes! Of course~ baby_keynes@hotmail.com

...maybe I should put it under this master post too. xD

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kumagoro87 October 27 2010, 04:14:01 UTC
Yea, maybe you should. Jdownloader's really helpful since you don't have to open the page (like megaupload or any other free host that has tons of adwares) to download file, they'll automatically key in those anti-spam codes for you too. :D No more ads too!

Emule's a p2p program. :D

Aw, so we'll change another project then? Frankly speaking, we've got so many failed joints with Ochibichan (hence a lot of project lacking editors since our joint partner left us =.= bitches!) that I'm a little iffy about joints, unless we know and trust the other party very well.

I saw that she has Muchuu no Hito under her future project list but needs help with it though...

Omg, please let sensei end the series! I've lost my love for JR since volume 5... D: Egoist pair isn't getting anymore awesome!

LOL, next time you post your email, best not to write it like that, you'll never know when you get spammed. :D I'll send you an email with my private mail account instead of the group's mail.

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xploded_tb October 27 2010, 04:36:38 UTC
Oh? Cool. I'll check that program out soon enough!

Heh~ I don't really know her well, and seeing as she likes doing "Feng Yu jiu tian" that Chinese one, I think she's going to work solo and work very hard on it. I myself don't like joints unless we're really very close or that we've at least talked quite a bit one-on-one with each other, and we're both cool about each other, then yes. :P

Yeah. If she can do without furigana, I'd rather not pick it up, since it'll be a translation from a translation, which causes even more inaccuracies. But if she drops it, and Chinese scans are going to continue, then sure I'll use the Chinese scans.

It began to get kind of draggy indeed, but it's still quite fun to see her humor. :3

It's okay. My email is open on my own profile. I got emailed once, thanking me for the JR scans. :O I didn't know people would do that. I got one PM on MF asking me to scanlate act 24, and I was like, "....do you know how many bloody freaking pages there are kthxbaiiii?" That person never replied, though. xD

Yeah sure! Go ahead. :)

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kumagoro87 October 27 2010, 05:11:38 UTC
I don't know, maybe I can talk her out of doing that project, since she has that uber long BL novel to translate... Bwahahaha! But no promises though... But I think we should just pick some other title if it's too troublesome. I'm not very sure how Sooky will react to it she sounds a little scary from her post...

Well, I cross check scripts that's translated from Chinese to insure accuracy, so translating from Chinese isn't a problem. Our scripts usually go through 2 people anyway. :D

Btw, I'll be ordering the books tonight so I can pick them up from Kinokuniya on Friday. My sister said she'll try ordering tanks from Malaysia's Kinokuniya since they brought in so many hardcore manga like View Finder and Libre's stuff. If worse comes to worse, I'll send the tanks to my friend who's a scanner. So no rush to get the titles you want to work on. :)

Humour? I guess. I love some of the cute scenes but I feel like it's not worth the money spent seeing repeated scenes.

Aw, isn't that good. :D I love appreciative fans, they're such awesome people! And people asking for scanlations are just so inconsiderate. There must be a reason why the chapter isn't out/scanlated yet. And most of the time is because the scanlator is busy with life... Scanlation should be a hobby dammit! Or else we'll lose the loveeeee!

Still drafting the mail, wait for it <3

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