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[xenokattz]

OH MY GOD AVENGERS I CANNOT EVEN WHERE IS MY MIND IN A FRILLION BROKEN PIECES OF ACHEY GOODNESS DAMN YOU JOSS WHEDON
*flop*

ETA: To quote likeaduece, who's far more articulate than I, "I can't think of any significant storytelling thing I would have liked to be different [...]I was surprised overall by how mature the film's idea of heroism was

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[vikingprincess]

Honestly, if one has watched, rewatched, and watched again (and again and again and again) the seven years of Buffy, five of Angel, and one of Firefly, Joss' view of heroism as applied to the Avengers was the least surprising thing about the movie for me. Not one hero in it (with the possible exception of Steve, and it could be argued that all he decided to be was a fighter) ever decided to be a hero, because that's not how becoming a hero works. People become heroes when:

1. they are handed a shitty, shitty plateful of crap from fate and somehow deal with it
2. they discover or admit that something they cannot abide has been happening, and act to end it
3. something happens to break or infuriate them, and they push back at last
4. they lose someone they love
5. they perceive (correctly or not) that they are the only ones able to do what must be done

I'm sure there are other ways of hero-making that could be argued, but that seems like a pretty conclusive list to me. :)

[vikingprincess]

And, interestingly enough, it occurs to me that those are the VERY SAME CAUSES for someone to become a villain....

[xenokattz]

Heroism vs villiany, I suppose, is the individual's reaction to those motivations with respect to how it affects the greater population. Insert the ubiquitous "Magneto thinks he's a hero" theory here.

[vikingprincess]

Very true. (I don't buy that he IS, but I can see how he might THINK he is. Or at least pretend that he thinks he is in order to gull additional followers.)

[anonymous]

The one thing I can't forgive Whedon is that in every, EVERY single thing he has written, he has killed off a beloved character (after intentionally making us love them). Damn you Whedon. Damn you, you magnificent bastard.

[xenokattz]

I knew going in that someone was going it die because it's a Joss Whedon film. I had it down to 2 guesses. *sobs*

[lithiumlaughter]

Late to the party but OH. MY. GOD. AVENGERS.

FEELINGS.

HAWKEYE.

COULSON.

FEEEEEEEEEEEEELINGS.

I went to see it with Jewels, and you need to understand that she NEVER gets super worked up about movies. She was so unbelievably pissed and upset about Coulson's death it was ridiculous. We hugged, we cried, and as we drove home we worked out a complete theory explaining how he's totally not dead and it's Fury being Fury that there's no way the Son of Coul is dead and I AM SOBBING. JUST SO YOU KNOW.

[xenokattz]

WHATEVER THIS THEORY IS, I AGREE WITH IT BECAUSE GODDAMMIT THE SON OF COUL!

Also worthy
1) Hulk and "ragdoll" Loki.
2) "He is my brother!" "He killed 8000 people." "He's adopted."
3) "I watched you while you were sleeping."
4) Hawkeye. HAWK. EYE.
5) Natasha out-tricking the trickster god. BECAUSE NATASHA.