Re: True American
anonymous
December 22 2005, 10:34:58 UTC
Okay, so I know that I am like half a year late on this, but oh well. Maybe it will be read? Anyway,
Haha, okay so about the punctuation: You can't expect people to use proper grammar and punctuation over the internet. Ever. I know some people are incredibly anal about it and proofread everything before they press enter. Now, it's very unfair to say that improper grammar is a sign of unintelligence. One of the smartest girls I know types lowercase everything online. It's just a style. The internet is informal. Taking short cuts in typing does not imply low intelligence. In fact, I am 50-50 on whether I choose to type proper or not, and I think that I am very smart.
I read over all these arguments, and this is what I concluded. Mr. Anonymous, you really are coming across as a close-minded Republican. It's hard not to I know. Many people believe in the stereotype that being a Republican automatically equals close-minded, racist, prejudiced, and ignorant. I know though that you probably aren't all those things. It doesn't help your image though to start stereotyping Ms. XemoX_XkittenX, though. Neither of you will get anywhere if you call each other names. And as for you Ms. XemoX_XkittenX, you contradicted yourself. "Being against the war does NOT in ANY WAY make me unpatriotic. In fact, the most patriotic thing you can do is protest what you're against. How was this whole country founded?" and "I really know what I'm talking about when I say that this war is unnecessary." versus "I don't think the entire war is wrong, I think that the reasons that the CIA and President Bush gave us for starting the war is wrong." Now, I don't know exactly where you stand. You're agaisnt the war, but really you're for the war but against the reasons we went to war? Maybe you should have clearly specified the first time instead of allowing room for argument in your statements. By the way, the most patriotic thing you can do isn't protesting. The most patriotic thing you can do is to back your country and it's leader, especially during times of crisis.
Let's take a look at history for a moment. Think back to World War II. Terrible things were happening all over the world, but America wasn't about to do a thing about it. We should have done something, but we minded our own business. Nobody wanted to be in that war. The holocaust was happening in Germany, but we didn't feel like going to stop it. Then on that fateful day that will live in infamy, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Next thing that happened, the masses were clamoring to enter the war. We helped to end the Holocaust in Germany, and Germany wasn't even the country that bombed us. Now fast-foward to 9/11. Terrible things were happening all over the world, but America wasn't about to do a thing about it. We've had problems with Iraq for longer than some of the soldiers over there have been alive. A President just can't say, "Hey, there's a holocaust, let's go save the day." Why would anyone want to get involved in a problem that has nothing to do with them? I don't think anyone would have gone. You say that the Democrats and Liberals would have backed the President 90%, but that is far too idealistic of you. I don't even think that I would want to be in a war if everything was going great over here. Then those planes crashed into the buildings. The masses were clamoring to enter a war. You see now how easy it was to get America into a war right after we were attacked? In times of crisis, the country is almost instantly unified. Patriotism is at an all-time high.
Maybe the reasons were a little out of whack, and we may have ended up doing something different than what we originally intended, but at least we're doing something, instead of losing. Just the other day, I saw a little old Iraqi woman on the news waving around her finger with some purple ink on it. She had just voted and stopped to talk to the cameras. She said, "Anyone who is against Bush and the Americans can go to hell!" The ends justify the means. War is never moral and ethical. Get used to it.
Re: True Americanxemox_xkittenxDecember 23 2005, 08:31:13 UTC
The punctuation and grammar thing: Yes, I do believe you should use proper grammar and punctuation and spelling on the internet. Sure, not with someone you know very well, but with someone that you're having a political debate with? It's essential. Debating and personal conversations are two different things, and I'm just telling you flat out that you come off as a moron when you type the way they had.
Now, I do realize that what I have said was slightly confusing, so here, I'll clear it up a bit: I am against the war, and against the reason it was started, but I am for some of the things it has accomplished. It got Saddam Hussein out of power. I am for the SOLDIERS who are over there who need EVERYONES support, and I for one don't care WHY they're over there, they're there.
BUT, You said that to protest was NOT patriotic. Look at our country and what we were founded on. We were founded on the ability to be able to have our say in things. The ability to overthrow our government if we don't like the things we're doing. Our country was started by people who were illegally breaking away from and revolting against Great Britain. The MOST patriotic thing you can do is follow their example and, when you don't like what your country is doing, try to change it!
World War 2. Don't even get me started on America's wrongdoing's in that war. I'm Jewish, so I've had it beaten (not literally) into me since I was a small child. However, I have come up with the understanding that it wasn't because they didn't find what was going on to be WRONG, but they wanted to keep their people safe and away from all the war. If they were to jump right into the war, their people would die for nothing. The citizens would have gotten angry with the government for killing their people for a foreign affair that didn't have anything to do with them! What kind of government would knowingly do that to itself? Haha. I didn't read all of what you said before saying that. ^_^ When I said that it was another holocaust, I didn't mean just randomly. I meant after 9/11. They didn't have to say, "They have WMDs!" after 9/11. All they could have said was "Let's go kill that sorry mother fucker that bombed us!" and most of America would have gone.
That's not idealistic. I'm sorry if I was unclear about timing.
I think you're getting patriotism confused with blind hate. Blind hatred towards the people who bombed us. I don't believe that has anything to do with Patriotism. I dispise the word, especially after what the government is trying to do with the "US Patriot Act."
But why are we sticking our noses in their business now anyways? We went over their to seek justice. We found our means of justice. Why impose Democracy onto people whom the majority OBVIOUSLY doesn't want it?
Haha, okay so about the punctuation: You can't expect people to use proper grammar and punctuation over the internet. Ever. I know some people are incredibly anal about it and proofread everything before they press enter. Now, it's very unfair to say that improper grammar is a sign of unintelligence. One of the smartest girls I know types lowercase everything online. It's just a style. The internet is informal. Taking short cuts in typing does not imply low intelligence. In fact, I am 50-50 on whether I choose to type proper or not, and I think that I am very smart.
I read over all these arguments, and this is what I concluded. Mr. Anonymous, you really are coming across as a close-minded Republican. It's hard not to I know. Many people believe in the stereotype that being a Republican automatically equals close-minded, racist, prejudiced, and ignorant. I know though that you probably aren't all those things. It doesn't help your image though to start stereotyping Ms. XemoX_XkittenX, though. Neither of you will get anywhere if you call each other names. And as for you Ms. XemoX_XkittenX, you contradicted yourself. "Being against the war does NOT in ANY WAY make me unpatriotic. In fact, the most patriotic thing you can do is protest what you're against. How was this whole country founded?" and "I really know what I'm talking about when I say that this war is unnecessary." versus "I don't think the entire war is wrong, I think that the reasons that the CIA and President Bush gave us for starting the war is wrong." Now, I don't know exactly where you stand. You're agaisnt the war, but really you're for the war but against the reasons we went to war? Maybe you should have clearly specified the first time instead of allowing room for argument in your statements. By the way, the most patriotic thing you can do isn't protesting. The most patriotic thing you can do is to back your country and it's leader, especially during times of crisis.
Let's take a look at history for a moment. Think back to World War II. Terrible things were happening all over the world, but America wasn't about to do a thing about it. We should have done something, but we minded our own business. Nobody wanted to be in that war. The holocaust was happening in Germany, but we didn't feel like going to stop it. Then on that fateful day that will live in infamy, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Next thing that happened, the masses were clamoring to enter the war. We helped to end the Holocaust in Germany, and Germany wasn't even the country that bombed us. Now fast-foward to 9/11. Terrible things were happening all over the world, but America wasn't about to do a thing about it. We've had problems with Iraq for longer than some of the soldiers over there have been alive. A President just can't say, "Hey, there's a holocaust, let's go save the day." Why would anyone want to get involved in a problem that has nothing to do with them? I don't think anyone would have gone. You say that the Democrats and Liberals would have backed the President 90%, but that is far too idealistic of you. I don't even think that I would want to be in a war if everything was going great over here. Then those planes crashed into the buildings. The masses were clamoring to enter a war. You see now how easy it was to get America into a war right after we were attacked? In times of crisis, the country is almost instantly unified. Patriotism is at an all-time high.
Maybe the reasons were a little out of whack, and we may have ended up doing something different than what we originally intended, but at least we're doing something, instead of losing. Just the other day, I saw a little old Iraqi woman on the news waving around her finger with some purple ink on it. She had just voted and stopped to talk to the cameras. She said, "Anyone who is against Bush and the Americans can go to hell!" The ends justify the means. War is never moral and ethical. Get used to it.
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Now, I do realize that what I have said was slightly confusing, so here, I'll clear it up a bit: I am against the war, and against the reason it was started, but I am for some of the things it has accomplished. It got Saddam Hussein out of power. I am for the SOLDIERS who are over there who need EVERYONES support, and I for one don't care WHY they're over there, they're there.
BUT, You said that to protest was NOT patriotic. Look at our country and what we were founded on. We were founded on the ability to be able to have our say in things. The ability to overthrow our government if we don't like the things we're doing. Our country was started by people who were illegally breaking away from and revolting against Great Britain. The MOST patriotic thing you can do is follow their example and, when you don't like what your country is doing, try to change it!
World War 2. Don't even get me started on America's wrongdoing's in that war. I'm Jewish, so I've had it beaten (not literally) into me since I was a small child. However, I have come up with the understanding that it wasn't because they didn't find what was going on to be WRONG, but they wanted to keep their people safe and away from all the war. If they were to jump right into the war, their people would die for nothing. The citizens would have gotten angry with the government for killing their people for a foreign affair that didn't have anything to do with them! What kind of government would knowingly do that to itself? Haha. I didn't read all of what you said before saying that. ^_^ When I said that it was another holocaust, I didn't mean just randomly. I meant after 9/11. They didn't have to say, "They have WMDs!" after 9/11. All they could have said was "Let's go kill that sorry mother fucker that bombed us!" and most of America would have gone.
That's not idealistic. I'm sorry if I was unclear about timing.
I think you're getting patriotism confused with blind hate. Blind hatred towards the people who bombed us. I don't believe that has anything to do with Patriotism. I dispise the word, especially after what the government is trying to do with the "US Patriot Act."
But why are we sticking our noses in their business now anyways? We went over their to seek justice. We found our means of justice. Why impose Democracy onto people whom the majority OBVIOUSLY doesn't want it?
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