Re: True American
anonymous
July 10 2005, 09:21:40 UTC
ok first i dont care right now about my spelling or punctuation because im on the computer typing to an aquantance; nor writting a formal paper
ok, now, people, when they join the military, know exactly what is to come if they join...they know the possibility of war..#2 all the news besides FOX 13 is liberal and democratic which would mean they impose they beleifs on the people they even admit it...also if u notice the news is always the "BAD" stuff of war never what comes good out of it...most of the people that live in the middle east want us over there..they took a poll of it...and we are there to rid there country of the terrorist, if we leave now all our men and they people u call COLLERATAL DAMAGE will die in vein...and the comment about the war being uneeded...well, they attacked and killed our american people so we need to kill those people and yes accidents happen its WAR...and if we arent over there and we just leave all these people that are "bad" will start another terrorist group and attack us again...look they just attack england.... if we leave they will just keep doing it..they wont stop..what if they attack your family?? or someone you loved? these people arent gona stop...and about the WMD's i heard a man talking about it less than a week ago saying we never found those bombs...he said we need to leave because we never found them...so no it was on the news and so it's not old...we werent there to JUST get those bombs...BUSH also memtioned about getting the terrorist; he even stated we would not leave until we found them... so YOU watch the news a little bit and YOU would see people are STILL talking about those damn WMD's and that more people in the U.S and MIDDLE EAST think we whould be over (there was a poll) and after the presidents speech about staying over there even the democrats said he was right and his speech was very powerful...
and i could care less about if u want the war or not it doesnt really matter because we are over there anyway.
Re: True Americanxemox_xkittenxJuly 10 2005, 10:02:22 UTC
You could care less, eh? Then why the big deal? Why the unneeded "suck my american balls"?
And yes, you should care about your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Why? Because you come off as a total asshole that never made it through grade school. I would care about that if I were you. Spelling, grammar, and punctuation are the only way of knowing over the internet is talking because he actually knows something, or if he's just blowing something out of his ass.
Now, I understand everything that you say. And yes, I do watch the news. Of course, the only mention of WMD's that I see are that the CIA didn't know their stuff before pointing fingers. Now, we still don't know exactly what terrorist organization bombed us. We had nothing to make our accusations about. We said that Osama Bin Ladin had the ability to plan attacks with little or no warning. We wanted to point fingers. Now, the war over there really isn't about the WMD's or 9/11. We took Saddam Hussein out of power, and now we're rebuilding Iraq. Why did we take Saddam Hussein out of power? Because he was basically another Hitler, gassing his own people. I don't think the entire war is wrong, I think that the reasons that the CIA and President Bush gave us for starting the war is wrong.
We are over there, and I do support the troops. No one ever said that I didn't support the troops. The last thing I would ever imagine doing is not supporting the troops. In fact, we talk about wanting the soldiers back constantly. As I have said, the thing I don't like is the reason they handed us for starting the war. Why? They had been looking for reasons for years to start something with Iraq. If Bush had told us, "Hey, they're starting another Holocaust, he's gassing his own people, let's go kill that mother fucker." the Democrats and Liberals really wouldn't have anything to complain about. In fact, 90% of us would back him totally.
Now, you can't be totally against Democrats and Liberals. That would be ignorant, and we can't have that. Just because you're for the war and you're against gay marriages and abortion and whatever else your Republican views are, does not mean that you should hate someone else for their views. That's rather hypocritical if you ask me.
Now, if you want to get started on the news being biased, let's go. The news only shows us the better parts of the war. They don't show us the bodies of the soldiers their sending home. They don't show us the bombings that happen every day that kill hundreds of innocent by-standards. Why? Because your President Bush won't let them show us the worse parts of the war. He won't let the media in.
Re: True American
anonymous
December 22 2005, 10:34:58 UTC
Okay, so I know that I am like half a year late on this, but oh well. Maybe it will be read? Anyway,
Haha, okay so about the punctuation: You can't expect people to use proper grammar and punctuation over the internet. Ever. I know some people are incredibly anal about it and proofread everything before they press enter. Now, it's very unfair to say that improper grammar is a sign of unintelligence. One of the smartest girls I know types lowercase everything online. It's just a style. The internet is informal. Taking short cuts in typing does not imply low intelligence. In fact, I am 50-50 on whether I choose to type proper or not, and I think that I am very smart.
I read over all these arguments, and this is what I concluded. Mr. Anonymous, you really are coming across as a close-minded Republican. It's hard not to I know. Many people believe in the stereotype that being a Republican automatically equals close-minded, racist, prejudiced, and ignorant. I know though that you probably aren't all those things. It doesn't help your image though to start stereotyping Ms. XemoX_XkittenX, though. Neither of you will get anywhere if you call each other names. And as for you Ms. XemoX_XkittenX, you contradicted yourself. "Being against the war does NOT in ANY WAY make me unpatriotic. In fact, the most patriotic thing you can do is protest what you're against. How was this whole country founded?" and "I really know what I'm talking about when I say that this war is unnecessary." versus "I don't think the entire war is wrong, I think that the reasons that the CIA and President Bush gave us for starting the war is wrong." Now, I don't know exactly where you stand. You're agaisnt the war, but really you're for the war but against the reasons we went to war? Maybe you should have clearly specified the first time instead of allowing room for argument in your statements. By the way, the most patriotic thing you can do isn't protesting. The most patriotic thing you can do is to back your country and it's leader, especially during times of crisis.
Let's take a look at history for a moment. Think back to World War II. Terrible things were happening all over the world, but America wasn't about to do a thing about it. We should have done something, but we minded our own business. Nobody wanted to be in that war. The holocaust was happening in Germany, but we didn't feel like going to stop it. Then on that fateful day that will live in infamy, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Next thing that happened, the masses were clamoring to enter the war. We helped to end the Holocaust in Germany, and Germany wasn't even the country that bombed us. Now fast-foward to 9/11. Terrible things were happening all over the world, but America wasn't about to do a thing about it. We've had problems with Iraq for longer than some of the soldiers over there have been alive. A President just can't say, "Hey, there's a holocaust, let's go save the day." Why would anyone want to get involved in a problem that has nothing to do with them? I don't think anyone would have gone. You say that the Democrats and Liberals would have backed the President 90%, but that is far too idealistic of you. I don't even think that I would want to be in a war if everything was going great over here. Then those planes crashed into the buildings. The masses were clamoring to enter a war. You see now how easy it was to get America into a war right after we were attacked? In times of crisis, the country is almost instantly unified. Patriotism is at an all-time high.
Maybe the reasons were a little out of whack, and we may have ended up doing something different than what we originally intended, but at least we're doing something, instead of losing. Just the other day, I saw a little old Iraqi woman on the news waving around her finger with some purple ink on it. She had just voted and stopped to talk to the cameras. She said, "Anyone who is against Bush and the Americans can go to hell!" The ends justify the means. War is never moral and ethical. Get used to it.
Re: True Americanxemox_xkittenxDecember 23 2005, 08:31:13 UTC
The punctuation and grammar thing: Yes, I do believe you should use proper grammar and punctuation and spelling on the internet. Sure, not with someone you know very well, but with someone that you're having a political debate with? It's essential. Debating and personal conversations are two different things, and I'm just telling you flat out that you come off as a moron when you type the way they had.
Now, I do realize that what I have said was slightly confusing, so here, I'll clear it up a bit: I am against the war, and against the reason it was started, but I am for some of the things it has accomplished. It got Saddam Hussein out of power. I am for the SOLDIERS who are over there who need EVERYONES support, and I for one don't care WHY they're over there, they're there.
BUT, You said that to protest was NOT patriotic. Look at our country and what we were founded on. We were founded on the ability to be able to have our say in things. The ability to overthrow our government if we don't like the things we're doing. Our country was started by people who were illegally breaking away from and revolting against Great Britain. The MOST patriotic thing you can do is follow their example and, when you don't like what your country is doing, try to change it!
World War 2. Don't even get me started on America's wrongdoing's in that war. I'm Jewish, so I've had it beaten (not literally) into me since I was a small child. However, I have come up with the understanding that it wasn't because they didn't find what was going on to be WRONG, but they wanted to keep their people safe and away from all the war. If they were to jump right into the war, their people would die for nothing. The citizens would have gotten angry with the government for killing their people for a foreign affair that didn't have anything to do with them! What kind of government would knowingly do that to itself? Haha. I didn't read all of what you said before saying that. ^_^ When I said that it was another holocaust, I didn't mean just randomly. I meant after 9/11. They didn't have to say, "They have WMDs!" after 9/11. All they could have said was "Let's go kill that sorry mother fucker that bombed us!" and most of America would have gone.
That's not idealistic. I'm sorry if I was unclear about timing.
I think you're getting patriotism confused with blind hate. Blind hatred towards the people who bombed us. I don't believe that has anything to do with Patriotism. I dispise the word, especially after what the government is trying to do with the "US Patriot Act."
But why are we sticking our noses in their business now anyways? We went over their to seek justice. We found our means of justice. Why impose Democracy onto people whom the majority OBVIOUSLY doesn't want it?
ok, now, people, when they join the military, know exactly what is to come if they join...they know the possibility of war..#2 all the news besides FOX 13 is liberal and democratic which would mean they impose they beleifs on the people they even admit it...also if u notice the news is always the "BAD" stuff of war never what comes good out of it...most of the people that live in the middle east want us over there..they took a poll of it...and we are there to rid there country of the terrorist, if we leave now all our men and they people u call COLLERATAL DAMAGE will die in vein...and the comment about the war being uneeded...well, they attacked and killed our american people so we need to kill those people and yes accidents happen its WAR...and if we arent over there and we just leave all these people that are "bad" will start another terrorist group and attack us again...look they just attack england.... if we leave they will just keep doing it..they wont stop..what if they attack your family?? or someone you loved? these people arent gona stop...and about the WMD's i heard a man talking about it less than a week ago saying we never found those bombs...he said we need to leave because we never found them...so no it was on the news and so it's not old...we werent there to JUST get those bombs...BUSH also memtioned about getting the terrorist; he even stated we would not leave until we found them... so YOU watch the news a little bit and YOU would see people are STILL talking about those damn WMD's and that more people in the U.S and MIDDLE EAST think we whould be over (there was a poll) and after the presidents speech about staying over there even the democrats said he was right and his speech was very powerful...
and i could care less about if u want the war or not it doesnt really matter because we are over there anyway.
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And yes, you should care about your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Why? Because you come off as a total asshole that never made it through grade school. I would care about that if I were you. Spelling, grammar, and punctuation are the only way of knowing over the internet is talking because he actually knows something, or if he's just blowing something out of his ass.
Now, I understand everything that you say. And yes, I do watch the news. Of course, the only mention of WMD's that I see are that the CIA didn't know their stuff before pointing fingers. Now, we still don't know exactly what terrorist organization bombed us. We had nothing to make our accusations about. We said that Osama Bin Ladin had the ability to plan attacks with little or no warning. We wanted to point fingers. Now, the war over there really isn't about the WMD's or 9/11. We took Saddam Hussein out of power, and now we're rebuilding Iraq. Why did we take Saddam Hussein out of power? Because he was basically another Hitler, gassing his own people. I don't think the entire war is wrong, I think that the reasons that the CIA and President Bush gave us for starting the war is wrong.
We are over there, and I do support the troops. No one ever said that I didn't support the troops. The last thing I would ever imagine doing is not supporting the troops. In fact, we talk about wanting the soldiers back constantly. As I have said, the thing I don't like is the reason they handed us for starting the war. Why? They had been looking for reasons for years to start something with Iraq. If Bush had told us, "Hey, they're starting another Holocaust, he's gassing his own people, let's go kill that mother fucker." the Democrats and Liberals really wouldn't have anything to complain about. In fact, 90% of us would back him totally.
Now, you can't be totally against Democrats and Liberals. That would be ignorant, and we can't have that. Just because you're for the war and you're against gay marriages and abortion and whatever else your Republican views are, does not mean that you should hate someone else for their views. That's rather hypocritical if you ask me.
Now, if you want to get started on the news being biased, let's go. The news only shows us the better parts of the war. They don't show us the bodies of the soldiers their sending home. They don't show us the bombings that happen every day that kill hundreds of innocent by-standards. Why? Because your President Bush won't let them show us the worse parts of the war. He won't let the media in.
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Haha, okay so about the punctuation: You can't expect people to use proper grammar and punctuation over the internet. Ever. I know some people are incredibly anal about it and proofread everything before they press enter. Now, it's very unfair to say that improper grammar is a sign of unintelligence. One of the smartest girls I know types lowercase everything online. It's just a style. The internet is informal. Taking short cuts in typing does not imply low intelligence. In fact, I am 50-50 on whether I choose to type proper or not, and I think that I am very smart.
I read over all these arguments, and this is what I concluded. Mr. Anonymous, you really are coming across as a close-minded Republican. It's hard not to I know. Many people believe in the stereotype that being a Republican automatically equals close-minded, racist, prejudiced, and ignorant. I know though that you probably aren't all those things. It doesn't help your image though to start stereotyping Ms. XemoX_XkittenX, though. Neither of you will get anywhere if you call each other names. And as for you Ms. XemoX_XkittenX, you contradicted yourself. "Being against the war does NOT in ANY WAY make me unpatriotic. In fact, the most patriotic thing you can do is protest what you're against. How was this whole country founded?" and "I really know what I'm talking about when I say that this war is unnecessary." versus "I don't think the entire war is wrong, I think that the reasons that the CIA and President Bush gave us for starting the war is wrong." Now, I don't know exactly where you stand. You're agaisnt the war, but really you're for the war but against the reasons we went to war? Maybe you should have clearly specified the first time instead of allowing room for argument in your statements. By the way, the most patriotic thing you can do isn't protesting. The most patriotic thing you can do is to back your country and it's leader, especially during times of crisis.
Let's take a look at history for a moment. Think back to World War II. Terrible things were happening all over the world, but America wasn't about to do a thing about it. We should have done something, but we minded our own business. Nobody wanted to be in that war. The holocaust was happening in Germany, but we didn't feel like going to stop it. Then on that fateful day that will live in infamy, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Next thing that happened, the masses were clamoring to enter the war. We helped to end the Holocaust in Germany, and Germany wasn't even the country that bombed us. Now fast-foward to 9/11. Terrible things were happening all over the world, but America wasn't about to do a thing about it. We've had problems with Iraq for longer than some of the soldiers over there have been alive. A President just can't say, "Hey, there's a holocaust, let's go save the day." Why would anyone want to get involved in a problem that has nothing to do with them? I don't think anyone would have gone. You say that the Democrats and Liberals would have backed the President 90%, but that is far too idealistic of you. I don't even think that I would want to be in a war if everything was going great over here. Then those planes crashed into the buildings. The masses were clamoring to enter a war. You see now how easy it was to get America into a war right after we were attacked? In times of crisis, the country is almost instantly unified. Patriotism is at an all-time high.
Maybe the reasons were a little out of whack, and we may have ended up doing something different than what we originally intended, but at least we're doing something, instead of losing. Just the other day, I saw a little old Iraqi woman on the news waving around her finger with some purple ink on it. She had just voted and stopped to talk to the cameras. She said, "Anyone who is against Bush and the Americans can go to hell!" The ends justify the means. War is never moral and ethical. Get used to it.
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Now, I do realize that what I have said was slightly confusing, so here, I'll clear it up a bit: I am against the war, and against the reason it was started, but I am for some of the things it has accomplished. It got Saddam Hussein out of power. I am for the SOLDIERS who are over there who need EVERYONES support, and I for one don't care WHY they're over there, they're there.
BUT, You said that to protest was NOT patriotic. Look at our country and what we were founded on. We were founded on the ability to be able to have our say in things. The ability to overthrow our government if we don't like the things we're doing. Our country was started by people who were illegally breaking away from and revolting against Great Britain. The MOST patriotic thing you can do is follow their example and, when you don't like what your country is doing, try to change it!
World War 2. Don't even get me started on America's wrongdoing's in that war. I'm Jewish, so I've had it beaten (not literally) into me since I was a small child. However, I have come up with the understanding that it wasn't because they didn't find what was going on to be WRONG, but they wanted to keep their people safe and away from all the war. If they were to jump right into the war, their people would die for nothing. The citizens would have gotten angry with the government for killing their people for a foreign affair that didn't have anything to do with them! What kind of government would knowingly do that to itself? Haha. I didn't read all of what you said before saying that. ^_^ When I said that it was another holocaust, I didn't mean just randomly. I meant after 9/11. They didn't have to say, "They have WMDs!" after 9/11. All they could have said was "Let's go kill that sorry mother fucker that bombed us!" and most of America would have gone.
That's not idealistic. I'm sorry if I was unclear about timing.
I think you're getting patriotism confused with blind hate. Blind hatred towards the people who bombed us. I don't believe that has anything to do with Patriotism. I dispise the word, especially after what the government is trying to do with the "US Patriot Act."
But why are we sticking our noses in their business now anyways? We went over their to seek justice. We found our means of justice. Why impose Democracy onto people whom the majority OBVIOUSLY doesn't want it?
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