question and answer - round 2
POINT:
Andrew,
We can agree to disagree. My problem is the majority of enlisted men and women are poor or close to being poor thats thier reason for enlisting in the first place. They are there to better themselves and then they find out what it is truly like, I know I was one of them. They stand united for this country and they follow whatever the president says for them to do, right or wrong, but that is where you need to focus your anger. I don't know the answer besides to tell you to vote find a candidate and push them into the race, make a difference. Money is what made this country from the beginning, rich people pay and you and I play. Become rich and influencial and perhaps you can change something until then you should vote on all levels other wise your just blowing hot air. But aim higher than the men and women in uniform please they truly don't deserve that treatment. And the reason I said be a man before is because you are male I assumed but if not be a woman and do the right thing vote at all levels and aim for the head of the beast to blame anything as low as the troops only shows a lack of knowledge for your argument. It's not a gender problem at all.
COUNTER POINT:
the short response.
They stand united for this country and they follow whatever the president says for them to do, right or wrong, but that is where you need to focus your anger.
yeeah. we're a bunch of patrio-fascist drones with zero accountability, we really don't have the wherewithal to determine right from wrong. thank god we little people have the mighty benevolent wise hand of the state guiding us along, slaughter to slaughter. 'just following orders' comes to mind..
we are accountable, as tax-paying citizenry, when our federal government commits acts of aggression, whether it be byproxy, economically, or using our volunteer military. we cannot rely on our appointed representitives to act in our best interest, as has been made very painfully clear in Viet Nam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq I, Iraq II, Somalia, Cuba, Timor, Rwanda, the 9/11 attacks, New Orleans.. not to mention domestic issues like healthcare, education, prison reform, drug war, surveillance, and the right to dissent.
our appointive plutocracy has failed us - through and through.
we don't need wealth to have influence, as has been suggested, we need humility, we need proper education, and we need to instill true egalitarian values within our families and communities. if we can establish a strong sense of respect and fraternity in our communities of working poor and eventually the bourgeoisie as well, the rich out of pure necessity will have to either follow suit or run for the hills. then we can work on taking the power and eventually destroying it. it all might sound like a bunch of hot air.. but then again, half americans of voting age don't vote.. why's that? i mean, now that we've got this great democracy? and this free press?? blowin' hot air 24 hours a day.. get real.
the answers are obvious, they're in the cemetaries, they're in the prisons, they are in the ghettos, they are in the books. if you can't see it - you're simply NOT LOOKING.
i'd like to agree to disagree with you, but frankly i don't feel like you've made your argument. you are the one who randomly messaged me to convince me of some abstract conviction you have.
forgive me for being short.
- andrew
here's round one. i know, i know, i'm really slow on replying to your comments - all apologies. i just bought a shit-ton of books and have been reading the fuck out of them, lo ciento!
the books -
Collapse: how societies choose to fail or succeed - by Jared Diamond
The Long Emergency: surviving the end of oil, climate change, and other converging catastrophes of the 21st century - by James H. Kunstler
An Ordinary Person's Guide To Empire - by Arundhati Roy
Lies My Teacher Told Me: everything your american history textbook got wrong - by James W. Loewen
Failed States - by Noam "Fucking" Chomsky
much love.