I love bad movies. Except for this one.

Jul 16, 2010 16:15

WTF_TLA, I lied to you. I told you I would not see this movie because it is obviously terrible. What I did not tell you is that I love terrible movies. Like Dragonball! Awful <3. Twilight- I laughed so hard at inappropriate times through the whole thing; I was so excited for the sequel. So, when my mom offered me free tickets to take my brother to ( Read more... )

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dietotaku July 16 2010, 20:31:35 UTC
Katara does admire Ong because he is the avatar, but you are a DAMN LIAR if you say that there is any genuine affection in that. It's all hero worship.
i actually didn't get a sense of this at all. it seemed like her response to every single thing that happened was that deadpan "oh. i see."

It is a mark of shame and identification. It should be recognizable as a FACE MELTING FIRE INJURY, not 'maybe a bike accident, who can say?'
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES. just like aang is recognized/described as "the boy with the tattoos" (tattoos you can hardly see in the movie), that scar serves as the layperson's means of identifying zuko. "an angry young man with a scar." zuko identifies himself by his scar, by touching it when katara refers to him as "the face of the enemy." it's not just his face he thinks she's talking about, but his massive hideous scar, specifically. and the same goes for the ponytail! zuko is bald with a ponytail in season one because shaving one's head is a symbol of banishment. then he cuts off his topknot to sever his ties with the royal family when he finds out ozai sent azula to capture and/or kill him. sokka describes him as "an angry freak with a ponytail" which prompts katara's jab about SOKKA's ponytail and him defending it as "a warrior's wolftail." IT ALL TIES TOGETHER AAAAAAAARGH.

part of the reason Zuko was so pale in the show was so his scar would be RIGHT IN YOUR FACE compared to the rest of his skin (or at least that is my thought)
well, that and the fact that royalty in general tends to be paler than the rest of the populace, due to not having to be outside working the fields and junk.

Even Eeeeeeeroh is white.
persian, actually.

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premium_shaday July 16 2010, 21:10:15 UTC
i actually didn't get a sense of this at all. it seemed like her response to every single thing that happened was that deadpan "oh. i see."
I got this from her ridiculous speech about YOU ARE THE ONE, YOU ARE THE AVATAR, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I KNEW YOU'D COME BACK ONG! And the THEY WANT YOU TO BE THE AVATAR I WANT YOU TO BE OUR AVATAR. Any way you look at it, she is not a very bright girl.

...zuko identifies himself by his scar, by touching it when katara refers to him as "the face of the enemy." it's not just his face he thinks she's talking about, but his massive hideous scar, specifically.
EXACTLY! It's sooooooooooooooooooooo important. D: It just bothers me so much. It's too important to Zuko's character to make it so low key.

...royalty in general tends to be paler than the rest of the populace, due to not having to be outside working the fields and junk.
That's true! Most of the Fire Nation seems to be pretty pale in the show, though. I googled it! :3 It's funny, because you'd think getting power from the sun would make them more tan or something.

Eeroh is persian!
D: I didn't even know! Race identification fail. I'll correct this, but I think this makes about as much sense as him being white. He is the brother of the Fire Lord, who is Indian, but he is Persian. Consistency FAIL!

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syonanto July 16 2010, 21:20:11 UTC
YOU ARE THE ONE, YOU ARE THE AVATAR, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I KNEW YOU'D COME BACK ONG! And the THEY WANT YOU TO BE THE AVATAR I WANT YOU TO BE OUR AVATAR...

LOL it sounds like a song... quick, someone whip up the full lyrics!

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dietotaku July 16 2010, 21:32:41 UTC
*clears throat*

♪we found a boy
a boy in an iceberg
he must be exhausted
he says he ran away
got caught in a storm
he was upset but not anymore

the fire nation took him
i guess we should follow
he's our responsibility (what was his name again?)
grandma's helpful monologue
gives us the backstory
let's bring him his bison

YOU ARE THE ONE
YOU ARE THE AVATAR
CAN YOU HEAR ME? (I KNEW YOU'D COME BACK ONG!)
THEY WANT YOU TO BE THE AVATAR
I WANT YOU TO BE OUR AVATAR
SO BE AN AVATAR OR SOME JUNK

we'll rescue some earthbenders
they're standing on earth
oh hey, a waterbending scroll
aang goes to a temple
an old guy betrays him
it's cool, devko saves him

northern water tribe
everybody's equal
let's do some stuff (that kinda looks like tai chi)
oh no, the fire nation's here
ong needs to meditate
in this silent spiritual place

YOU ARE THE ONE
YOU ARE THE AVATAR
CAN YOU HEAR ME? (I KNEW YOU'D COME BACK ONG!)
THEY WANT YOU TO BE THE AVATAR
I WANT YOU TO BE OUR AVATAR
SO BE AN AVATAR OR SOME JUNK

thanks random spirit dragon
for telling him to waterbend
the fire nation turned tail and ran
now everybody bow down
soh-ka, you bow too
ong, try not to wet your pants

YOU ARE THE ONE
YOU ARE THE AVATAR
CAN YOU HEAR ME? (I KNEW YOU'D COME BACK ONG!)
THEY WANT YOU TO BE THE AVATAR
I WANT YOU TO BE OUR AVATAR
SO BE AN AVATAR OR SOME JUNK

YOU ARE THE ONE
YOU ARE THE AVATAR
CAN YOU HEAR ME? (I KNEW YOU'D COME BACK ONG!)
THEY WANT YOU TO BE THE AVATAR
I WANT YOU TO BE OUR AVATAR
SO BE AN AVATAR OR SOME JUNK♫

*bows*

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premium_shaday July 16 2010, 22:44:14 UTC
D8
ARE YOU A SONG WIZARD? LIKE, A MUSIC BENDER OR SOME SHIT? THAT WAS AWESOME.

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dietotaku July 16 2010, 22:47:13 UTC
LOLOLOLOL well i can't write tunes for shit, so i wouldn't call myself a musicbender... maybe just a wordbender? XD

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sakiexcel July 20 2010, 00:47:10 UTC
Lyricbender, maybe?

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dietotaku July 16 2010, 21:22:51 UTC
I got this from her ridiculous speech about YOU ARE THE ONE, YOU ARE THE AVATAR, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I KNEW YOU'D COME BACK ONG! And the THEY WANT YOU TO BE THE AVATAR I WANT YOU TO BE OUR AVATAR. Any way you look at it, she is not a very bright girl.
oh THAT. i think i blocked it out of my mind because (a)the timing was stupid and (b)it felt like shamwow tacked it on because he forgot to have her bring it up in the opening text scroll or something. it didn't feel sincere at all (but then, hardly any of the lines delivered in the movie felt sincere).

D: I didn't even know! Race identification fail. I'll correct this, but I think this makes about as much sense as him being white. He is the brother of the Fire Lord, who is Indian, but he is Persian. Consistency FAIL!
yeah, shamwow mentions it in this HUGE tl;dr rant about the racist casting (or lack thereof, in his eyes) but ultimately you're right. if he's going to cast indians for the FN lead roles, he can't just grab any random middle eastern actor and say "same diff." if anything it only makes the racebending issues even MORE glaringly obvious.

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cammalot July 29 2010, 19:25:31 UTC
Chris Curtis, the actor portraying Ozai, is Maori. I knew I recognized him from somplace -- he was in "Whale Rider" playing the little girl Paikea's father. (Love that film.)

(It's all very complicated. Even Iranians are legally listed as "white" when they come to the States -- not in Britain, I don't think, I'm not certain -- although they still suffer discrimination and don't quite benefit from privilege in the same way an Anglo Saxon in the U.S. would. But yeah, for this film I think they just found as many sorta-brown-in-the-right-way people as they could for the Fire Nation. Which... I guess is all right for a fantasy and wouldn't have raised my eyebrow much if there hadn't been so much additional fail...)

Y'know, I wouldn't have cried if they'd put Chris Curtis in the Water Tribes. At least some of the trappings of the Water folk -- some of the boats and weapons, especially Sokka's boat in the first ep -- were based on New Zealand culture.

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cammalot July 29 2010, 19:35:04 UTC
Here's his bio, actually, with some interesting info on the different types of ethnicities he's played. Rarely his own.

Chris Curtis

The sad thing is that he IS an actor of color, and as such (Dante Basco recently made a post on this), if he waited around for roles that exactly matched his ethnicity in Hollywood he would never get any work at all and would have to, I dunno, take up accounting or something. For this reason I'm kind of willing to let the Shaun Toub (Jewish Iranian) thing go as well, even though Toub could more easily "pass."

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