my god, what the fuck is marionros's problem. take your knee-jerk dumbledore hate elsewhere. it has jack-shit to do with the conversation.
i'm not even touching the main essay. it's too early for me to get angry. all i can say is... i think i remember seeing their batshittery elsewhere. maybe another essay?
fandom! ah, i can still remember. i started out as an anime fan and i had had internet installed only very recently. i would sift through badly-designed geocities, angelfire and tripod fansites (called "shrines" back then, i don't know if that's still used) that i found via some websites that worked as directories (like anipike) and listed a huge number of websites of... varying quality. i would spend all day looking at different yaoi websites and saving images to floppy disks :p i didn't read fanfic back then. i didn't perceive fandom as a community back then, since each website felt like an isolated entity. the only means of communication i had with people were guestbooks and email. at some point later i started reading fanfic, which ended up directing me to ff.net, among others. i also became a zelda fan, so i started looking up fan sites, which led me to register on a forum and some members over there had LJs and... well, here i am. this was from 1999-ish to 2006
as for HP fandom, i was aware that there was a huge fan community, i knew about the slash and the ship wars and everything, but i didn't get really involved with it until i began reading SBP. i cannot remember for the life of me exactly how i found the SBP in the first place, and that frustrates me to no end.
marionros's problem is that Dumbledore didn't love her enough, methinks. Or Snape. Or their astral plane marriage.
This person is the same one that said that Hermione was corrupted and teh ebil. I don't get it. That level of batshit is, err, batshit?
That's so cool! What a very interesting way of finding a fandom community. You're right - all the scattered websites don't help much. That's how the Wolverine/Gambit ship is - there are just all these websites and not too much community that I ever found. The only community I actually found on Yahoo was very uninviting to newcomers.
Yanno - I've never played Zelda :/
As far as SBP - I think angels sang the url to you. ;)
Linked from the terri-testing post...angakkuq_01February 21 2009, 22:06:55 UTC
Don't think too hard about marionros. She seems to hate anyone in the books not named Severus Snape.
But then I got called a "Snape-hater" for saying the man screwed his own life up and that his Occlumency "lessons" came waaaay closer to qualifying as "mind-rape" than Ron Confunding that Muggle examiner.
Re: Linked from the terri-testing post...wook77February 21 2009, 22:16:57 UTC
Yeah... I don't get that, either. Snape perpetuates the abuse that he, arguably, was the victim of.
I'm a bit sensitive about issues of abuse given my history (my dad abused me in multiple forms until I was 14). It's one of the reasons I reacted so strongly to terri_testing's point that Petunia wasn't an abuser (no matter how she clarified later in another post).
I guess I just don't get how people can possibly be so attached to someone/something/some character that they don't see the faults of said object of their devotion. I love Seamus Finnigan but that doesn't mean that I don't see that he's a judgmental douchebag that trusts his mum way too easily. I like Snape but I see him for what he is and that's a bitter old man that holds a grudge for WAY too long.
I agree with you - the Occlumency lessons were definitely more like mind-rape than anything else in the books. But obviously it's all Harry Potter and Dumbledore's fault cause Dumbledore totes made him do those lessons and, also, Dumbledore sneezed. *winks*
Re: Linked from the terri-testing post...angakkuq_01February 21 2009, 22:24:34 UTC
Yeah, I'm a bit sensitive about abuse myself, for similar reasons. Same with teachers who use their power to attack people they have problems with.
On a certain level, I can understand Snape's hatred of Harry: "If that brat had never been born she'd still be alive." I think he targeted Neville because he wished Voldemort had gone after him instead.
I'm not excusing either--only an utter douchebag would take out his issues on eleven-year-old kids.
Snape refused to take responsibility for his choices and it ended up biting him in the ass. And yet he kept making those bad choices.
Dumbledore, meanwhile, learned from the results of his bad choices. Same with Harry.
But they say Snape's the only one who does any changing. Yes, because everyone except him is really just pretending to be good--the real people are the ones we see when they're at their worst. Save for Snapeypoo, of course.
Re: Linked from the terri-testing post...wook77February 21 2009, 22:34:12 UTC
Same with the teachers here, too.
I understand the targeting, I get the reasoning but oh man - srsly. "You" do not get to say it's not abuse because Petunia/Snape/Vernon/Dudley/Voldie were all misunderstood speshul snowflakes just waiting for their chance to sparkle in the sun until that Ebil Dumbledore came by and melted them.
I do love the idea of Dumbledore, the supercomputer from the Matrix that he is, playing everyone like puppets on strings. I would totally and completely read that crossover.
The only thing that would have made this essay (or the follow-up post) even better would've been some Molly!bashing and a comparison as to how Molly is a worse mother than Petunia.
Re: Linked from the terri-testing post...wook77February 21 2009, 22:38:59 UTC
Oh I know. That's why I put the "you" in quotations. "You" meaning them, marionros and the rest. Communication failure on my part and I apologize, profusely.
It definitely is still early. I'll eagerly await that defence of Petunia ;).
Also - I saw that you're in Gilbert! How awesome to meet fellow Arizonan people! I keep wondering if I'm the only one but then I get proven wrong :D! *happy dance*
i'm not even touching the main essay. it's too early for me to get angry. all i can say is... i think i remember seeing their batshittery elsewhere. maybe another essay?
fandom! ah, i can still remember. i started out as an anime fan and i had had internet installed only very recently. i would sift through badly-designed geocities, angelfire and tripod fansites (called "shrines" back then, i don't know if that's still used) that i found via some websites that worked as directories (like anipike) and listed a huge number of websites of... varying quality. i would spend all day looking at different yaoi websites and saving images to floppy disks :p i didn't read fanfic back then. i didn't perceive fandom as a community back then, since each website felt like an isolated entity. the only means of communication i had with people were guestbooks and email. at some point later i started reading fanfic, which ended up directing me to ff.net, among others. i also became a zelda fan, so i started looking up fan sites, which led me to register on a forum and some members over there had LJs and... well, here i am. this was from 1999-ish to 2006
as for HP fandom, i was aware that there was a huge fan community, i knew about the slash and the ship wars and everything, but i didn't get really involved with it until i began reading SBP. i cannot remember for the life of me exactly how i found the SBP in the first place, and that frustrates me to no end.
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This person is the same one that said that Hermione was corrupted and teh ebil. I don't get it. That level of batshit is, err, batshit?
That's so cool! What a very interesting way of finding a fandom community. You're right - all the scattered websites don't help much. That's how the Wolverine/Gambit ship is - there are just all these websites and not too much community that I ever found. The only community I actually found on Yahoo was very uninviting to newcomers.
Yanno - I've never played Zelda :/
As far as SBP - I think angels sang the url to you. ;)
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But then I got called a "Snape-hater" for saying the man screwed his own life up and that his Occlumency "lessons" came waaaay closer to qualifying as "mind-rape" than Ron Confunding that Muggle examiner.
Go figure.
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I'm a bit sensitive about issues of abuse given my history (my dad abused me in multiple forms until I was 14). It's one of the reasons I reacted so strongly to terri_testing's point that Petunia wasn't an abuser (no matter how she clarified later in another post).
I guess I just don't get how people can possibly be so attached to someone/something/some character that they don't see the faults of said object of their devotion. I love Seamus Finnigan but that doesn't mean that I don't see that he's a judgmental douchebag that trusts his mum way too easily. I like Snape but I see him for what he is and that's a bitter old man that holds a grudge for WAY too long.
I agree with you - the Occlumency lessons were definitely more like mind-rape than anything else in the books. But obviously it's all Harry Potter and Dumbledore's fault cause Dumbledore totes made him do those lessons and, also, Dumbledore sneezed. *winks*
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On a certain level, I can understand Snape's hatred of Harry: "If that brat had never been born she'd still be alive." I think he targeted Neville because he wished Voldemort had gone after him instead.
I'm not excusing either--only an utter douchebag would take out his issues on eleven-year-old kids.
Snape refused to take responsibility for his choices and it ended up biting him in the ass. And yet he kept making those bad choices.
Dumbledore, meanwhile, learned from the results of his bad choices. Same with Harry.
But they say Snape's the only one who does any changing. Yes, because everyone except him is really just pretending to be good--the real people are the ones we see when they're at their worst. Save for Snapeypoo, of course.
*sigh*
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I understand the targeting, I get the reasoning but oh man - srsly. "You" do not get to say it's not abuse because Petunia/Snape/Vernon/Dudley/Voldie were all misunderstood speshul snowflakes just waiting for their chance to sparkle in the sun until that Ebil Dumbledore came by and melted them.
I do love the idea of Dumbledore, the supercomputer from the Matrix that he is, playing everyone like puppets on strings. I would totally and completely read that crossover.
The only thing that would have made this essay (or the follow-up post) even better would've been some Molly!bashing and a comparison as to how Molly is a worse mother than Petunia.
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And I'm surprised it didn't get into Molly-bashing, but hey, it's still early.
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It definitely is still early. I'll eagerly await that defence of Petunia ;).
Also - I saw that you're in Gilbert! How awesome to meet fellow Arizonan people! I keep wondering if I'm the only one but then I get proven wrong :D! *happy dance*
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And don;t worry about it.
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YOU SHOOOUUULD especially the ones that came out for the nintendo 64. they still are the shit.
angels approve of r/s? neat! ;D
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