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Nov 20, 2011 23:04

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kellyhime November 22 2011, 06:24:49 UTC
Very beautiful and moving! It's sad to think that he probably died there after suffering from a hunter's bullet though.

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miss_october November 25 2011, 15:56:11 UTC
I thought it might be natural causes....a hunter would've taken it, unless it was a stray bullet and he didn't realize he hit it? Anyway, it IS amazing!

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grygon November 25 2011, 20:07:18 UTC
Most hunters I know, assuming they hit it and it could still get away, would rather starve than live knowing the animal they hunted got away to suffer a slow death. Most track and track and track for days on end if they have to until they find the dead or wounded animal.

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bricology November 25 2011, 20:32:21 UTC
Well, I don't know about "most hunters you know", but the notion that hunters really care about animal suffering is simply a comforting fiction; most often told by people who have never actually gone hunting ( ... )

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grygon November 25 2011, 20:36:43 UTC
You're right, my bad, I shall be sure and give all the hunters I know a good tongue lashing for clearly lying to me all these years.

I guess same goes for the people I know who have had to shoot their beloved pets to end their misery.

Baaaad gun owners. BAD!

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bricology November 25 2011, 20:42:53 UTC
Who said anything about gun ownership?! I've been a veg*n for most of my life, and I own three guns. That doesn't mean I'd ever choose to optionally try to kill animals with them, and certainly not while claiming that I actually cared about avoiding suffering. Even in a best-case scenario of a perfect shot, do the hunters you know cause ANY suffering, of ANY length of time to the animals they hunt? Of course they do. It's inevitable.

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grygon November 25 2011, 20:50:35 UTC
Did I EVER say ANYTHING about "NO" suffering in my reply?

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bricology November 25 2011, 21:13:51 UTC
"Did I EVER say ANYTHING about "NO" suffering in my reply?"

You wrote "Most hunters I know...would rather starve than live knowing the animal they hunted got away to suffer a slow death. Most track and track and track for days on end if they have to until they find the dead or wounded animal."

So no, you never said "NO suffering". But apparently *some* suffering (after being shot, and/or while being tracked for days by the hunter) is acceptable to you. Glad you cleared that up.

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grygon November 25 2011, 21:22:22 UTC
Suffering happens.

So, how many kids will you have or have you had? Ever drive a car? Ever think how much pollution kids and cars put into the deers homes? But I guess that's okay, as long as the bullets aren't flying.

Let's take hunting out of the equation altogether then: is suffering by starvation from sheer overpopulation alright by you? I guess so.

Glad to clear that up.

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bricology November 25 2011, 21:56:13 UTC
Someone seems to be determined to make incorrect assumptions. Nope, no kids, and given that I've been snipped, it's never going to happen. So overpopulation isn't my contribution. I've been into ZPG since the late-'70s, thanks. And I mostly ride my bike, walk or take public transit here in SF where I live ( ... )

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grygon November 25 2011, 22:09:29 UTC
Really, using your age as an argument only makes you seem that much younger. "I'm 14.5, therefore I am right."

At least you got yourself snipped.

There is just as much if not more research put into the population control side of the fence, so nice try there.

And stop putting words in peoples mouths.

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bricology November 25 2011, 22:36:53 UTC
"Really, using your age as an argument only makes you seem that much younger. 'I'm 14.5, therefore I am right ( ... )

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