Holiday Spirit

[will_to_power37]

Studying is winding down, and I'm finding the holidays to actual look quite cheerful, though really anything is better than going to a Muggle orphanage. I am somewhat envious of everyone getting together for Christmas parties at their homes, but really I think Christmas at Hogwarts this year will be glorious. Some of my dear friends are staying as

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[quidditchncandy]

Why should anyone be in awe of us? What can we do that they can't? Wizards and Muggles eat, breathe, have babies or don't, love and/or hate others, bleed and cry and smile. Either way, we're all just people.

Even if the girl isn't as intelligent as you are, that isn't really her fault, is it? If the orphanage is as bad as you seem to feel it is, then she most likely hasn't had the same opportunity for education.

[will_to_power37]

What can we do that they can't? We can do things they only dream of! We have the power to completely reshape their world, give them something tangible to cling to as bestowers of power and blessing instead of their gods and spirits and political ideologies. Nature has given us a gift to be used to put things in order, and I don't believe we are being quite faithful of that gift by protecting the Muggles from it like we do.

[quidditchncandy]

And they can do things that we can't! We use their inventions everyday, even here! Power to reshape the world is something everyone has, not through a wand or gesture or a potion, but through what we do. I'll agree that I don't think that Muggles should be kept in the dark about us, but not so that we can take over what they do. Better we work together, combine the best from both.

[will_to_power37]

I do not think I can agree with you there. Apart from ingenuity, which we all possess but only Muggles have (from necessity, mind you) implemented, there is nothing good about them, or at least nothing that could present itself on the same level as our skill. We merely need to throw off this box we're in and we could go leagues beyond what they are capable of. Our dependence on their inventions comes only from a lack of proper education and exposure on our part which comes from our laziness, fear of change, and inability to accept the responsibilities Nature has graced us with. If we could break ourselves from this stupor, than I hardly see any value in Muggles, or at least any that rivals our own.

[quidditchncandy]

So you're saying that since they have to actually get up and do something, rather then wave a pointy stick, that makes them lesser? You argue that we are somehow inherently better, and then turn around and say that we're lazier, more fearful, and irresponsible. You can't have it both ways.

[will_to_power37]

You misunderstand. We are created better. Gifted by Nature. She has formed us to be better, more powerful, yet we have allowed ourselves through the coddling of Muggles and of our desire to be comfortable, to not shift with the tides of Nature and continue to grow. We stagnated ourselves through will, and, thus, are strangling what is natural for us. We must unlock our potential, and yet so many of us refuse to out of stubbornness. Even a man gifted with genius from birth will remain an idiot if he does not take himself to school and learn to hone his skill. I believe there is much to be desired from the wizarding community and it is us, not Nature, that is holding us back.

[quidditchncandy]

You have yet to actually define in what way we're supposedly better, or more powerful. Give me some actual examples please, not simply the blind utterances that have been repeated for generations. Additionally, if we alone are 'gifted' then why is it that even from pure Muggle families come some of the most amazingly innovative witches and wizards ever seen, and from pure Wizards arise Squibs? And again, you say we are better, but if we were how could we let such things stand in our way the exact same as any Muggle? Especially if natures has, quote, "... formed us better, more powerful..." If we are so very much better then how would Muggles even be able to coddle or confuse us?

[will_to_power37]

You have much to learn in the ways of science I see. Obviously our ability to use magic is a gift which Nature has bestowed on us, making us much more fit and powerful than the common Muggle. The fact that not all Muggles bear Muggles and not all wizards bear wizards is due to the workings of evolution which creates anomalies within species as it sees fit to further their existence. Obviously Nature is not all powerful in that it does not dictate how we reason, yet it is our REASONING that causes us to go against her by indulging and explaining away our weaker emotions such as our laziness and sympathy toward a lesser species when, in reality, nature doesn't work that way. The goal of evolution is the survival of the fittest and either we must awake our innate nature to rise above, or risk the loss of our species altogether. Muggle and wizard can indeed live side by side but not as co-equals. One will have to come out on top. That's simply how nature works, and if it is not us then it is because of our weakness in will and our

[flaming_lion]

As I said in an earlier debate Tom, the fact that things are not found among animals does not mean they are bad or that they are impossible to achieve. Rather animals have not evolved as far as we have. We are btter than animals and do not need to resort to animalistic barbarism. Your insistance upon this and the means by which you express this fear speak of a terror born of a lack of faith. If you sincerely believed in our innate superiority you would not feel so threatened by those you percieve as lesser. And if you believed that one species must come out on top you would not feel threatened by an attempt at creating a society of co-equals because you would know that the muggles would sink to their "rightful" place beneath wizards in a meritocracy, and an autocracy that sought to enforce false equality would simply fail.

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[quidditchncandy]

[[I FAIL AT FAILING. In going to reply to this, (which took me way longer to notice then it should have) I accidentally hit delete on my original reply to Tom. *hangs head in shame* I can try to repost it if y'all want, or we can just take it from here. And now I've forgotten what I was going to post. FOrGIVE MY FAIL, PLZ?]]

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[flaming_lion]

Oh put it back! It was awesome! We were cheering for you as we read it!

Re: OOC

[quidditchncandy]

*blushing* Aw, thanks! I was scared it actually might be kinda crap. Hmmm, do you think that maybe a copy got sent in a notification to Tom? Unless he has it turned off, that's what mine does whenever I get a reply.

And I just accidental posted from my IRL journal a moment ago. I'm going with the excuse that my toddler stole my brain.

Re: OOC

[will_to_power37]

I think I found it but I'm not 100% sure. My inbox is exploding. XD I'll send it to you.

[will_to_power37]

Can't get enough in our conversation so you need to start butting into others now?

There is not as much difference between us and animals as you think, seeing as we all come from a common ancestor, and the only key difference between us and animals is our ability to reason which is something that is proving a hindrance to our race because it is not being used effectively to promote our race. We are naturally made superior yes but as I already stated we are allowing ourselves to take the inferior position because of some "moral obligation" that, if we truly reason about, has no basis whatsoever and certainly does not herald in from Nature. Our genes are on our side, but our minds are still clinging to old codes that at one time aided us, but no longer are necessary. We need to break our poor habits where our race is concerned or I do fear we will be given over to dilution and extinction.

[quidditchncandy]

And you are ignoring his point entirely. Maybe no one would have to follow you to other conversations if you would actually address any of the points put forth or questions asked of you.

[flaming_lion]

Just adding my opinion where I think it can be of service to the debate. I'm public spirited like that.

I think you make nature into your God Tom, and that this departs far from the reason you claim to love. We share a common ancestor with animals but a much closer one with muggles and yet I don't see you saying that we are very little different from them, or that we cannot depart from their patterns of behaviour. Consistency is important in an ideology.

I don't think there is any further point in us debating. You seem unable to grasp my point and I am unable to find a way to put it across to you (sad failing on my part) while I find your zealotry and the idealogy you espouse to be utterly repugnant and far more likely to lead to the destruction of our race and all others than an overabundance of mercy. Good Night Tom.