I entered the theater not only unspoiled, but having been (unintentionally) insulated from any and all discussion or speculation. (From the previews I knew there was the Black guy in a Storm Trooper outfit [but they're clones, right? So he's probably pulling a Han & Luke hiding-in-the-outfit thing?] and there was a chick who looked kick-ass, and a red light saber of utter stupidity [Live blades coming out of the hilt? WTF? I mean it looks nifty, but how do you even make a decent practice swing without cutting yourself? And why provide two handy blades for an opponent to jab right into you in close quarters?!?!? There's a reason you don't see metal swords with razor-sharp daggers for a hilt. Are you on crack, dude?]. I also knew the original cast was coming back in at least somewhat-extended cameos (although I thought BB-8 [shaped like a B.B. and/or an 8-ball, I take it?] a replacement for R2, and frankly was surprised to see R2 and C3pio there at all
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I'm still pretty much stuck with Luke's kid, who he either never knew about or thought was taken care of by her mother('s family), [No, he wouldn't have gone without checking in on her for over a decade, I don't care how much he wants to get away from it all.] Although, frankly Kylo Ren is making more and more sense to me, if only in terms of her falling through the cracks as far as the family is concerned
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I gauge the age difference between Rey and Kylo to be around 10 years (which tracks more or less to RL -- currently Daisy Ridley is 23 and Adam Driver is 32). I think I've heard it's supposed to be ~30 years after RotJ, in which case he couldn't be much more than that. But if that's not for sure, then I could buy him being that few extra years older.
She looks about 4 or 5 in the bit of the vision that seems to be a memory of being left on Jakku ("Come back!"), so I'm DYING to see if she recognizes Luke now that she's actually seen him, since no one else seems to have rung any bells for her. At that age, if she knew him, she should. But she could very easily be his and not have known him, at least not at any age she remembers.
(And wow, do you not need to apologize for babbling. You definitely haven't gotten to my other post if you're apologizing for babbling. :-D Val: Overthinking Star Wars Since 1981.)
Yeah, see that was my thought: I'm not always good on ages, but they seemed too close to me. (But apart enough not to be twins.) I've heard that "32 years" is supposed to be the gap between RotJ and TFA, which is six years shorter than the RL timeline. So yeah, I'm assuming he can't really be over 30, making her as his daughter a 15yo at best. Much as I like the "panicked teen" theory, the math just doesn't work.
I still don't see Luke ditching her for good. I'm sticking to my "never knew" (or *just possibly* "left her in good hands and assumed she was still"...maybe with a side of "if I visit/check on her I'll draw attention to her and doom her", etc.) So her recognizing is possible, but I'm really going to want smack Luke something awful if he actually was one of the ones leaving her (and then completely walked away).
With Rey being left on Jakku alone...TO me, when they first showed her cleaning off the part she found, it looked like she gazed fondly at an old woman working with her. To me, it seemed like a part of the film was cut out that maybe explained that this woman took care of Rey since she was a kid. At least, that's how it seemed to me.
I read that as being struck by the prospect of that being her in another 50 years, since she's just barely starting to admit to herself that they're not coming back for her.
But I like that thought. At the very least, it's taken a village to raise her (even though she's isolated now), and that woman is part of her village.
Didn't Luke say "your father and his father before him," ruling out pretty much anyone but him? Or did I dream that?
Assuming I did - Kylo wouldn't have had to invade people's memories ('cept maybe his own) if he had just faked her death really well. My protege killing his kid sister on the way Darkside would send me to the islands of not-Ireland, too.
In her vision? I didn't catch anything like that, but there's a LOT going on. He didn't say a word when he was on screen.
My protege killing his kid sister on the way Darkside would send me to the islands of not-Ireland, too.
Yeah, I wouldn't blame Luke for that one particle. And after 15 years presumed dead, I wouldn't expect anyone to recognize her all-grown-up by sight. Though if Leia is open enough to her abilities to sense Han dying, I feel like she should have some inkling about Rey when she's right in front of her.
Then again, one could argue that she comes by that obtuseness honestly -- thinking of the joke circa TPM that went something like "I sense... something..." -- "You just tortured one of your kids, and the other one just showed up with your old teacher and the droid you built when you were nine. You should be having a damn stroke!"
Not to mention living off on her own for years just waiting. Which no Skywalker in the history of ever could be expected to do. :-D
The more the Kenobi possibility is brought up, the more I like it, while still being mostly in favor of Skywalker. Both at once might be a little too neat, but I think I still might like it best of all
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she particularly favors Keira Knightley when she does her stubborn-face
And her smile. And her voice/accent.
Which, I realized today, is another checkmark in the Kenobi column, since Obi-Wan's was the only English accent on the side of the Rebellion in the original trilogy.
Her outfit is reminiscent of Obi-Wan, but also of Luke in ANH. Even the arm wraps echo his leg wraps. Thinking as a designer, I'm sure they're intentionally alluding to both, while also fitting into a tradition of "desert people" costuming that extends beyond SW. She wouldn't look out of place running around Abydos with Skaara and his buddies, for instance.
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She looks about 4 or 5 in the bit of the vision that seems to be a memory of being left on Jakku ("Come back!"), so I'm DYING to see if she recognizes Luke now that she's actually seen him, since no one else seems to have rung any bells for her. At that age, if she knew him, she should. But she could very easily be his and not have known him, at least not at any age she remembers.
(And wow, do you not need to apologize for babbling. You definitely haven't gotten to my other post if you're apologizing for babbling. :-D Val: Overthinking Star Wars Since 1981.)
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I still don't see Luke ditching her for good. I'm sticking to my "never knew" (or *just possibly* "left her in good hands and assumed she was still"...maybe with a side of "if I visit/check on her I'll draw attention to her and doom her", etc.) So her recognizing is possible, but I'm really going to want smack Luke something awful if he actually was one of the ones leaving her (and then completely walked away).
(No I haven't... Must fix that. Only 1981??? ;-)
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But I like that thought. At the very least, it's taken a village to raise her (even though she's isolated now), and that woman is part of her village.
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Assuming I did - Kylo wouldn't have had to invade people's memories ('cept maybe his own) if he had just faked her death really well. My protege killing his kid sister on the way Darkside would send me to the islands of not-Ireland, too.
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My protege killing his kid sister on the way Darkside would send me to the islands of not-Ireland, too.
Yeah, I wouldn't blame Luke for that one particle. And after 15 years presumed dead, I wouldn't expect anyone to recognize her all-grown-up by sight. Though if Leia is open enough to her abilities to sense Han dying, I feel like she should have some inkling about Rey when she's right in front of her.
Then again, one could argue that she comes by that obtuseness honestly -- thinking of the joke circa TPM that went something like "I sense... something..." -- "You just tortured one of your kids, and the other one just showed up with your old teacher and the droid you built when you were nine. You should be having a damn stroke!"
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The more the Kenobi possibility is brought up, the more I like it, while still being mostly in favor of Skywalker. Both at once might be a little too neat, but I think I still might like it best of all ( ... )
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And her smile. And her voice/accent.
Which, I realized today, is another checkmark in the Kenobi column, since Obi-Wan's was the only English accent on the side of the Rebellion in the original trilogy.
Her outfit is reminiscent of Obi-Wan, but also of Luke in ANH. Even the arm wraps echo his leg wraps. Thinking as a designer, I'm sure they're intentionally alluding to both, while also fitting into a tradition of "desert people" costuming that extends beyond SW. She wouldn't look out of place running around Abydos with Skaara and his buddies, for instance.
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