As per our discussion the other night:undressed_teakJanuary 21 2005, 05:22:29 UTC
In the late eighteenth century a child of eleven or twelve was captured, who some years before had been seen completely naked in the Caune Woods in France, seeking acorns and roots to eat. The boy was given the name Victor and is often referred to as the Wild Boy of Aveyron.
When hearing of the capture, a minister of state with scientific interests, believing that this event would throw some light on the science of the mind, ordered that the child be brought to Paris. In Paris the boy became a nine days' wonder. People of all classes thronged to see him, especially since it was an opportunity to see the romantic theories of the famous Jean Jacques Rousseau in practice.10 Rousseau, a passionate critic of society of his time, saw the possibility of reforming society through the education of children. In his Émile he posits a natural development of the child, which must be protected from the influences of society so that the child can grow up as Nature intended him to be. In essence, Rousseau believed that there is a natural development on which we can rely and which will inevitably take place, provided we can keep in check the “unnatural” influences of society.11 So, with Victor, the people of Paris had the opportunity to see a child who had grown up according to Rousseau's ideals….
What they did see was a degraded human being, human only in shape; a dirty, scarred, inarticulate creature who trotted and grunted like the beasts of the fields, ate with apparent pleasure the most filthy refuse, was apparently incapable of attention of even elementary perceptions such as heat or cold and spent his time apathetically rocking himself backwards and forwards like the animals at the zoo. A “man-animal,” whose only concern was to eat, sleep, and escape the unwelcome attentions of sightseers. Victor was assigned to Dr. Itard, who describes the behavior of the boy and his own efforts to teach him to do the things ordinary human beings do, including speaking and reading. Victor's tutor tells us that his senses were extraordinarily apathetic. His nostrils were filled with snuff without making him sneeze. He picked up potatoes from boiling water. A pistol fired near him provoked hardly any response, though the sounds of cracking a walnut caused him to turn around.
Itard tried to teach Victor to speak and read. At the end of five years, Victor could identify some written words and phrases referring to objects and actions, and even some words referring to simple relationships such as big and small, and he could use word cards to indicate some of his desires. However, he did not learn to speak.
Re: As per our discussion the other night:wildhare_82January 21 2005, 15:34:49 UTC
That's very interesting... I guess society is the only thing differing us from animals. But who's point about instincts does that prove? I lost track of which side of the argument we were on.
Re: God the almightyms_coulterJanuary 25 2005, 08:43:58 UTC
The only thing you liberals are fit to carry is you respective genitals after they've been collectiviely compressed by all the black bubbas in cell-block D. You should thank your lucky liberal stars that Dr. Kent has seen fit to show you the light. Maybe if you play your cards right God will segregate a liberal section of heaven for you rather than sending you to hell. But knowing your typical liberal, most would prefer to be sodomized by infernal palluses.
Re: God the almightywildhare_82January 25 2005, 16:05:01 UTC
Wow, thank my lucky stars indeed!! The great Dr. Kent AND Ms. Coulter herself, both trying to save me!! Unfortunately, Ms. Coulter, you fail to realize that the mormons are the right ones and the only way for you to get into heaven is through child birth... that and magic underpants.
Re: God the almightyms_coulterJanuary 26 2005, 06:11:20 UTC
I have given birth to the hateful lunatic wing of the GOP. So in whatever cannibinoid induced alternate, unwashed, Talibanesque universe you crawled out of, that would be enough to get me into heaven. But the fact of the matter is that the followers of the 'Moron' faith are just as destined for hell as all you treacherous liberals.
Anyway Jeremy, everyone knows that you're a papist pasta eater!
And those dark creatures, those Bubbas, will do worse to you, sinners!!
Listen to the Light and Truth and Love in Ann's words and you may yet, along with some http://www.dinosauradventureland.com in your life, and you may be fit for heaven after all.
Ann, my dear, you are smarter than you know, and even hotter than the purported "Ms. Macafee" credits you.
When hearing of the capture, a minister of state with scientific interests, believing that this event would throw some light on the science of the mind, ordered that the child be brought to Paris. In Paris the boy became a nine days' wonder. People of all classes thronged to see him, especially since it was an opportunity to see the romantic theories of the famous Jean Jacques Rousseau in practice.10 Rousseau, a passionate critic of society of his time, saw the possibility of reforming society through the education of children. In his Émile he posits a natural development of the child, which must be protected from the influences of society so that the child can grow up as Nature intended him to be. In essence, Rousseau believed that there is a natural development on which we can rely and which will inevitably take place, provided we can keep in check the “unnatural” influences of society.11 So, with Victor, the people of Paris had the opportunity to see a child who had grown up according to Rousseau's ideals….
What they did see was a degraded human being, human only in shape; a dirty, scarred, inarticulate creature who trotted and grunted like the beasts of the fields, ate with apparent pleasure the most filthy refuse, was apparently incapable of attention of even elementary perceptions such as heat or cold and spent his time apathetically rocking himself backwards and forwards like the animals at the zoo. A “man-animal,” whose only concern was to eat, sleep, and escape the unwelcome attentions of sightseers.
Victor was assigned to Dr. Itard, who describes the behavior of the boy and his own efforts to teach him to do the things ordinary human beings do, including speaking and reading. Victor's tutor tells us that his senses were extraordinarily apathetic. His nostrils were filled with snuff without making him sneeze. He picked up potatoes from boiling water. A pistol fired near him provoked hardly any response, though the sounds of cracking a walnut caused him to turn around.
Itard tried to teach Victor to speak and read. At the end of five years, Victor could identify some written words and phrases referring to objects and actions, and even some words referring to simple relationships such as big and small, and he could use word cards to indicate some of his desires. However, he did not learn to speak.
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PS KICK THE DEATH STICKS!!!
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Anyway Jeremy, everyone knows that you're a papist pasta eater!
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Listen to the Light and Truth and Love in Ann's words and you may yet, along with some http://www.dinosauradventureland.com in your life, and you may be fit for heaven after all.
Ann, my dear, you are smarter than you know, and even hotter than the purported "Ms. Macafee" credits you.
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