private | unhackablehonestlyrubbishAugust 7 2009, 19:13:59 UTC
Yes, but he also made it clear that you shouldn't underestimate him. And you've-- Harry, the whole point of the war was that we won because we worked together. Professor Dumbledore--don't you think that he had you tell Ron and I what you were planning on for a reason? Regardless of whether or not Voldemort's the threat here, the idea still holds.
You're not giving me an out. You are pushing me to the side because I don't fully agree with your tactics and you want everything now. Do you think any of us have been entirely happy with the way things happen here? With the way things progress at home? But yes, I have tried to form a way of life here that would ensure my not getting killed so that I could get back to you at home and help you. Remus and Sirius are from even earlier--who knows what might go wrong if they were killed here in the City? We need to get together and discuss the sorts of monsters we've seen down there, the sorts of spells that work or don't down there. I do think all of us should meet together.
Refusing that, or insisting that this is right regardless, is what would put more on my shoulders, Harry. Feeling like I let you down, that's going to put more on my shoulders. That's why I'm feeling any of this at all.
private | unhackablewholivedagainAugust 7 2009, 19:21:37 UTC
We are working together. That's why I want you to come with me to figure out what's going on down there. I'd already be gone and on my way and not bothering to argue if I wanted to go this alone. I don't. I'm not underestimating him, but we know what happens, Hermione. I-I'm not going to let that happen here, not if I can help it. If it means doing things in the Underground and figuring out things in the City on our own, then we will.
I'm not pushing you to the side, either! I don't want you killed. And from how Claire's talking about it, we don't know what monsters will be down there. We didn't know a lot of things, when we were looking for the horcruxes, but we managed it. We can manage this. I just don't want you to feel like you need to do everything, and come back and start taking that potion again.
We can meet tonight. And discuss before the strange batch of curses settle in. But we aren't spending weeks planning this. I don't think that's what it needs.
private | unhackablehonestlyrubbishAugust 7 2009, 19:30:45 UTC
It just... Harry, please understand. I want to go with you, and I'm not as shaken as you think I am for having taken a calming draught. I just can't handle the thought of letting either you or Ron down, or any of the others--I don't want to be considered a lead weight. That's why I've been doing any of this at all, taking the calming draught and turning to what I'm more accustomed to--brewing potions, trying to come up with new spells, things that could help us in the event that certain people arrive in the City again. Bellatrix Lestrange has been here. And Tom Riddle has been here. And the prospect of either of them turning up terrifies me, it truly does, so I do what I do and try to fortify our defenses.
It simply feels that a lot of what you've said, the way that you've brought it to the table... we need to get Sirius a wand. We need to have Claire meet the others. We need to lay down some sort of plans, and even if you don't think that this requires weeks--which I feel it might, having been here for months and still not finding an appropriate way to get down there--we do at least need to take several hours and talk to one another. Ron still doesn't think it's a good idea at all, and he's been here longer than any of us.
You know that laying down plans makes me feel better. At least let me attempt that, please. If this weekend does have us facing another strange batch of curses, perhaps enough of us will be unaffected that we can still talk through then.
It's such a small thing, in the grand scheme, but I do want Ginny to enjoy her birthday as well.
private | unhackablewholivedagainAugust 7 2009, 19:40:35 UTC
How is that any better than telling me you don't want me to burden myself? That's taking it all out of my hands, like I can't handle it myself! And Ron can't, either. When have we ever seen you as a dead weight? That's right: never. We've done everything together, and now it sounds like you're trying to do everything yourself. If Bellatrix turns up, we'll handle her. If Tom Riddle shows up, we'll handle him. It's not like it'll be any different than what we've done at home. It won't be easy because things never are.
We do need Sirius to have a wand, but Remus and I are working on that. What plans are needed if we can't be sure? We stick together, like we always have. Whether it's the Department of Mysteries or if it's the Underground, it doesn't mean we can't come out alive. We will, I'm sure of it.
Then let's hope that most of us will be unaffected. But plans only help if you can come up with a plan, and do you think we can? It isn't always possible to plan, and you know that.
private | unhackablehonestlyrubbishAugust 7 2009, 20:02:11 UTC
Harry, we haven't always handled everything together. There have been missions in the past that only you've been able to go on, perhaps only you and Dumbledore. And there are things that only I can come to grips with, or things I've been entrusted with here that I can't let others know about. Because some people have, surprisingly, put that amount of faith in me as well. I want to be forthright with my burdens. I do. But I'm not ready for all of that yet. I will let you know the moment that I am, and I didn't want it to be yet, but the curse had me loose-lipped, more than normal. There are some things I will need to be reassured of myself, before I can turn to you and Ron.
So at least don't try and suggest that I stay out of this, because words are one thing, and being able to physically help is another. I haven't been completely fine since leaving Malfoy Manor. But I want to work on that.
There's always some amount that we can plan, Harry. I gave you the notes I have on the clock so far. I think that perhaps even tonight, all of us should go to the carousel, which is connected to the clock but in the Overground, thus leaving out any monsters we might have to deal with. Just... brainstorming. These things are always possible.
private | unhackablewholivedagainAugust 7 2009, 20:14:43 UTC
But when you could know about them, you knew! And when you could be there, Hermione, you were. Coming up with a plan to handle Tom Riddle or Bellatrix Lestrange ... I feel like that's something we should be doing together. Fine, then. We won't do anything together if it comes to you. Only if I want to do something. But remember not to tell me that again.
None of us were fine, but we fought on. This place shouldn't change that.
private | unhackablehonestlyrubbishAugust 7 2009, 20:23:40 UTC
Harry, for Merlin's sake, listen to me. Coming up with a plan for handling Tom Riddle or Bellatrix Lestrange isn't something I've tackled. I don't have a plan for either of them, and I wasn't able to come up with one when they were here because Severus took everything into his own hands. The only things that I've done are try to brew Veritaserum, try to look for the ingredients for a fair number of other products the twins made, in case they should come in handy--and I've noticed that none of the rest of us here are really adept at potions, so what would going to Ron and you have done? Yes, I've wondered if they might help in the event that anyone else show up. No, I haven't come up with anything to bring to the table, and I haven't brought that up because I haven't had the time to really think carefully in the middle of perfecting Remus' potion, or in... talking with Sirius, or even since you mentioned first the possibility of looking at the clock. The only things I've dealt with personally are studies and research I promised other people. I don't want to deal with anyone else alone.
None of us were fine, but we fought on, only we knew what greater purpose we were fighting for. This place ought to make us more cautious.
I don't know what the carousel will do. I've never examined it personally, didn't think that bothering would be necessary at all until Remus arrived and I realized that it was another option.
private | unhackablehonestlyrubbishAugust 7 2009, 21:12:53 UTC
Because there are lots of situations which may require anyone telling the truth, and I haven't mastered the potion at all so what harm is there in at least trying? And I'm talking--
Harry, I didn't say that we shouldn't... I told you that I just want us to come together this weekend and think it through. Look, I'll... I'm sorry that I'm being so hard, and seemingly unreasonable about all of this. But you don't sound convinced, so please don't just change your decision on the turn of a coin. Please. Let's talk some of this through. I'm sorry for getting mad and defensive. I am.
We need to practice certain spells this weekend. Stunning, Impediment Curses, Shield Charms, Four-Point... and I think Apparating is also important. Should we try and teach Ginny how to, over the weekend? She and Claire might do best with partners, so that they can side-along.
You're not giving me an out. You are pushing me to the side because I don't fully agree with your tactics and you want everything now. Do you think any of us have been entirely happy with the way things happen here? With the way things progress at home? But yes, I have tried to form a way of life here that would ensure my not getting killed so that I could get back to you at home and help you. Remus and Sirius are from even earlier--who knows what might go wrong if they were killed here in the City? We need to get together and discuss the sorts of monsters we've seen down there, the sorts of spells that work or don't down there. I do think all of us should meet together.
Refusing that, or insisting that this is right regardless, is what would put more on my shoulders, Harry. Feeling like I let you down, that's going to put more on my shoulders. That's why I'm feeling any of this at all.
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I'm not pushing you to the side, either! I don't want you killed. And from how Claire's talking about it, we don't know what monsters will be down there. We didn't know a lot of things, when we were looking for the horcruxes, but we managed it. We can manage this. I just don't want you to feel like you need to do everything, and come back and start taking that potion again.
We can meet tonight. And discuss before the strange batch of curses settle in. But we aren't spending weeks planning this. I don't think that's what it needs.
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It simply feels that a lot of what you've said, the way that you've brought it to the table... we need to get Sirius a wand. We need to have Claire meet the others. We need to lay down some sort of plans, and even if you don't think that this requires weeks--which I feel it might, having been here for months and still not finding an appropriate way to get down there--we do at least need to take several hours and talk to one another. Ron still doesn't think it's a good idea at all, and he's been here longer than any of us.
You know that laying down plans makes me feel better. At least let me attempt that, please. If this weekend does have us facing another strange batch of curses, perhaps enough of us will be unaffected that we can still talk through then.
It's such a small thing, in the grand scheme, but I do want Ginny to enjoy her birthday as well.
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We do need Sirius to have a wand, but Remus and I are working on that. What plans are needed if we can't be sure? We stick together, like we always have. Whether it's the Department of Mysteries or if it's the Underground, it doesn't mean we can't come out alive. We will, I'm sure of it.
Then let's hope that most of us will be unaffected. But plans only help if you can come up with a plan, and do you think we can? It isn't always possible to plan, and you know that.
I want her to enjoy it, too.
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So at least don't try and suggest that I stay out of this, because words are one thing, and being able to physically help is another. I haven't been completely fine since leaving Malfoy Manor. But I want to work on that.
There's always some amount that we can plan, Harry. I gave you the notes I have on the clock so far. I think that perhaps even tonight, all of us should go to the carousel, which is connected to the clock but in the Overground, thus leaving out any monsters we might have to deal with. Just... brainstorming. These things are always possible.
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None of us were fine, but we fought on. This place shouldn't change that.
What will the carousel do?
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None of us were fine, but we fought on, only we knew what greater purpose we were fighting for. This place ought to make us more cautious.
I don't know what the carousel will do. I've never examined it personally, didn't think that bothering would be necessary at all until Remus arrived and I realized that it was another option.
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Fine, then we'll be more cautious. We won't go.
But we'll at least examine the carousel, though I don't know what good that will do, either.
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Harry, I didn't say that we shouldn't... I told you that I just want us to come together this weekend and think it through. Look, I'll... I'm sorry that I'm being so hard, and seemingly unreasonable about all of this. But you don't sound convinced, so please don't just change your decision on the turn of a coin. Please. Let's talk some of this through. I'm sorry for getting mad and defensive. I am.
We need to practice certain spells this weekend. Stunning, Impediment Curses, Shield Charms, Four-Point... and I think Apparating is also important. Should we try and teach Ginny how to, over the weekend? She and Claire might do best with partners, so that they can side-along.
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