Heaven Sent Reaction and Discussion Post [SPOILERS!]

[jjpor]

Following the shocking conclusion of Face the Raven, the grand Series 9 finale continues this week with Heaven Sent. And this one, I suspect, is going to be regarded as either an instant classic or a real oddity depending on how well it turns out. Given the Capaldinator's past form, however, and the fact that he's basically the whole show this week

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[ravenskyewalker]

Hmm, the Hybrid could be Me, as in Ashildr, but the Doctor keeps disregarding her name preference and determinedly calls her Ashildr. She seemed to be a Viking teenager, but commented on how different she felt, never quite fitting in. Oh, lord, misdirection. Maybe she IS part Time Lord?

I may throw a fit if she is part Time Lord, though, because an old fannish friend who hates Clara as some evil Mary Sue type has her own Time Lady character who can do everthing and be anyone, and she keeps basically rewriting the series to her liking in her mind, using this not-at-all-Clara (or River or any other female in DW) Mary Sue, and she's decided to make Ashildr a Time Lady, because that's the only way to make her fit with her ideas. I told her in some aggravation that Ashildr having been human and unsuited to the immortality thrust upon her was the point of the character, not her being Time Lady. So, if she turns out to have been correct, I'm going to have to live that down and it won't be fun, LOL.

The prophecy gives the Hybrid male pronouns. So, not Ashildr, but she might regenerate into male? I know someone regenerates in Hell Bent. (Hope it's not the Doctor, and Moffat and Capaldi haven't been misdirecting about Capaldi staying on for S10, but how could they hide that?)

Ohhhh... thanks for making me think about a different way the Doctor could be the Hybrid... not due to parentage, but due to something the Sisterhood of Karn did when they helped #8 regenerate. Hmm...

[Edited quite a lot later, sorry: Perhaps... the Hybrid is Me, but she doesn't have to be part Time Lord. Perhaps the propecy's wrong about that. Perhaps she's a human/Mire hybrid, due to the Mire tech used that turned her immortal? Perhaps the Doctor having the odd, time-travel-induced feeling that he knew her, or would know her at some point, in Girl Who Died wasn't because he'd meet her again in Woman Who Lived, but also because of the impact she'd have on him and Clara in Face the Raven, and then possibly because of whatever her role might be in Hell Bent, because she seems to be in that? Time travel tidal waves... I'm probably wrong, but this is fun, hah.]

[lost_spook]

Heh, I can see you're having fun! :-)

Actually, I just rewatched the next time trailer and it makes a whole lot more sense if you assume Ashildr is the Hybrid (and the Doctor is being blamed for creating her as she is). But we'll see - maybe everything is misdirection!

[ravenskyewalker]

I suddenly had so much more fun when I thought about how my favorite character, back when I attempted to write fanfic (1980s-90s), was, in fact, a hybrid, and would love the prophecy to have been about her. She was half Time Lord (not just regular Gallifreyan citizen), half a rival race that was telepathic and telekinetic and tended to get mistaken for angels any time humans observed them, born on Gallifrey, misbehaved, kept wandering out into the desert (and picked up a big, tall, bearded desert nomad for her first love), and ended up exiled to Earth. The Time Lords dumped her there in hopes she'd get herself killed, and she only ever got free when she conveniently met the Doctor via UNIT. She, too, went "the long way around," although only about 200 years, not two billion, though I figure the Time War probably did some bad stuff to her, too (though I didn't consider reviving her as a character until I ended up loving Capaldi's Doctor). Would she hope that a prophecy speaking of a hybrid standing in the ruins of Gallifrey would refer to her? Probably, if it meant wiping out Time Lord government, though she's not the Master. ...No, really, stop me before I write fanfic again. *whimper*

[lost_spook]

:lol: Sorry, I'm not about to deter anyone from writing fic!