Open Mouth, Insert......
....Foot? Writing Style? Intent?
*sigh*
So. the SCA released the results of it's "Census" (I don't know why they called it that; it was actually a survey.) And Calontir responded to it over the Calonlist all day yesterday and probably today.
A big topic for other Kingdoms is whether or not to create a fourth Peerage -- I'm guessing that the Fencers are tired of not being Peers. Since I have no horse in that race, neither does Calontir, for that matter, I pretty much ignored that part of the overview that was published. But, I do have to add that the person who wrote the overview must be a Fencer.
Calontir's topic that blew up like an overripe apple? Same-sex Crowns.
Now, I know I'm a Liberal, I don't make any bones about it. I know that I live in a part of the country where I stick out like the proverbial sore thumb. But I was not ready for what people said on this subject. Women and men who I would have described just as Liberal as I am were categorically against the idea. Passionately against. And the main reason they appear to hold against it was that the women of the Kingdom would be underrepresented.
? *blink-blink*
I don't get that. Maybe it's because I'm Pagan -- we're taught to recognize the Divine feminine and masculine in all living things (and remember, we count rocks as living things, too!) Maybe it's because I've grown up around the LGBT community, and don't really have a problem with any of them. Or maybe because I've never really looked at a Queen as my personal representative in the Royal tradition. I certainly didn't think I stood for all women in Calontir when I was Queen; upon reflection, maybe I should have. Maybe that's a function of Queenship that I never considered. If so, I fell down on the job both times.
Plus, the point I was trying to make is that someday, there will undoubtedly be same-sex couples on the Thrones. Yes, it will be an expression of Modern Culture, not Period, but we have those expressions in the SCA now, so what's one more? I thought we had shifted our emphasis away from "Camelot" and "Morte d'Arthur", and more towards Living Archeology. We allowed female fighters with some pretty slender evidence at the time, mostly because women were demanding to fight AND wanted female personae, not male ones. I remember that. How is this different from that battle, really?
Then, I was told I was being hyperbolic. Tibor had just gone nuclear, using flaming sarcasm, and the person who called me hyperbolic didn't say one word to him. That hurt. Then I was told that I was being condescending and superior. I was really hurt by that one. I hate it when people do that in debates; to me, that's major error Number 1. And, since no one jumped to my defense, and I was always taught that Silence means Consent, I can only conclude that the List readers felt the same way about my debating style. So I apologized to the List for being a Troll, and I'm seriously considering unsubscribing.
I'm sorry, LGBT Community; I l fear I damaged your Cause far more than I helped it. FWIW, I don't have any more problem with a "King of Love and Beauty" than I do a "Queen by Right of Arms". And I think you'll see same-sex Crowns in your lifetime.
But, I'm very disappointed on so many different levels.
*sigh*
So. the SCA released the results of it's "Census" (I don't know why they called it that; it was actually a survey.) And Calontir responded to it over the Calonlist all day yesterday and probably today.
A big topic for other Kingdoms is whether or not to create a fourth Peerage -- I'm guessing that the Fencers are tired of not being Peers. Since I have no horse in that race, neither does Calontir, for that matter, I pretty much ignored that part of the overview that was published. But, I do have to add that the person who wrote the overview must be a Fencer.
Calontir's topic that blew up like an overripe apple? Same-sex Crowns.
Now, I know I'm a Liberal, I don't make any bones about it. I know that I live in a part of the country where I stick out like the proverbial sore thumb. But I was not ready for what people said on this subject. Women and men who I would have described just as Liberal as I am were categorically against the idea. Passionately against. And the main reason they appear to hold against it was that the women of the Kingdom would be underrepresented.
? *blink-blink*
I don't get that. Maybe it's because I'm Pagan -- we're taught to recognize the Divine feminine and masculine in all living things (and remember, we count rocks as living things, too!) Maybe it's because I've grown up around the LGBT community, and don't really have a problem with any of them. Or maybe because I've never really looked at a Queen as my personal representative in the Royal tradition. I certainly didn't think I stood for all women in Calontir when I was Queen; upon reflection, maybe I should have. Maybe that's a function of Queenship that I never considered. If so, I fell down on the job both times.
Plus, the point I was trying to make is that someday, there will undoubtedly be same-sex couples on the Thrones. Yes, it will be an expression of Modern Culture, not Period, but we have those expressions in the SCA now, so what's one more? I thought we had shifted our emphasis away from "Camelot" and "Morte d'Arthur", and more towards Living Archeology. We allowed female fighters with some pretty slender evidence at the time, mostly because women were demanding to fight AND wanted female personae, not male ones. I remember that. How is this different from that battle, really?
Then, I was told I was being hyperbolic. Tibor had just gone nuclear, using flaming sarcasm, and the person who called me hyperbolic didn't say one word to him. That hurt. Then I was told that I was being condescending and superior. I was really hurt by that one. I hate it when people do that in debates; to me, that's major error Number 1. And, since no one jumped to my defense, and I was always taught that Silence means Consent, I can only conclude that the List readers felt the same way about my debating style. So I apologized to the List for being a Troll, and I'm seriously considering unsubscribing.
I'm sorry, LGBT Community; I l fear I damaged your Cause far more than I helped it. FWIW, I don't have any more problem with a "King of Love and Beauty" than I do a "Queen by Right of Arms". And I think you'll see same-sex Crowns in your lifetime.
But, I'm very disappointed on so many different levels.