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[websandwhiskers]

I have been watching Iron Man II absolutely obsessively, mostly because I'm too broke to go to theaters and watch 'Avengers' quite so obsessively.  Also I draw while watching at home, and that's hard to do in a dark theater.  I still want to see it one more time before it goes out of theaters, though.

You know what I didn't notice before watching

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[websandwhiskers]

Good points all, and I liked all the lab scenes too. It is totally unfair that you're too far away for us to go see this movie again, like, four more times, and dissect it over diner food.

re: hulk freaks Natasha the fuck out - she can't manipulate him. Even her fighting style is about speed and flexibility; I bet she's in the best shape a genetically-manipulated 120lbs 5'4" woman can be, and hits way the hell harder than ought to be possible with that frame, but she's still a 5'4" woman. She *needs* to be able to use an opponent's strength against him/her. Not so possible with the Hulk; she'd have better luck fighting a bear, it would at least feel its injuries. I think this is frightening because he could, well, smash her, but I think it's also frightening for what it says about Bruce (as whatever Bruce says, Hulk is still him, just stripped of the higher brain functions). Natasha has spent her life learning how to control people; Bruce has spent the last several years learning to control *himself*. He's as much a threat to her mentally as Bruce as he is physically as the Hulk; she'd be hard pressed to land a blow on either one.

. . . and I think once that's done being terrifying, he turns into the first person she's met in a long time who she can interact with as a full adult. Who she isn't, on some level, keeping as a pet.

[mhalachaiswords]

You know what I'd love? Some classic Joss-snark between Natasha and Bruce in the next movie. Not Willow and Xander, per say, but Spike and anyone type :) 'Cept less evil.

I totally agree with you on Natasha - she's known from the outset that no matter what she'll never be able to protect herself from the Hulk. Even with Loki (the ultimate baddie in the movie) she held her own and got what she wanted. She'll never be able to do that with the Hulk.

(K ima going to whip out some Freud now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego)

I've been calling Tony the manifestation of pure id, but that's really what the Hulk is, Bruce's exposed id. While Bruce, since the Hulkification, has been ramping the super ego perspective of his personality to counter the Hulk. It's the ultimate conflict of the psyche, spelled out in big green letters. I love it.

Whereas someone like Natasha may have guilt (red in the ledger etc) but she's much more balanced when it comes to her urges v. ego v. morality. Which may make her seem like a sociopath to others, but she's rational about it.

Who she isn't, on some level, keeping as a pet.
You know, I can see Tony getting behind this idea :P

[websandwhiskers]

I would actually say Tony's more ego-heavy than id-heavy; he has a sense of morality, but tends to see damned near everything in terms of how it impacts him. .. which makes perfect sense for an emotionally neglected but brilliant only child; he made his own world and went and lived there. And he had the ability to do so far more literally than most.

I think . . . well, the keyboard I'm typing this on is more balanced than Bruce . . . but outside of beating him, I'm not really sure Natasha is balanced to even an average level. I'd argue that she is, actually, all super-ego; just one that's been twisted to assorted purposes, not all of them being what most folks would call good. She has a minimal and troubled sense of self, and if she *has* urges of which she is consciously aware, she damned well doesn't act on them. I'm not sure she'd know how. (I don't mean that sexually, I mean in terms of her actually just wanting things for herself - she can take her own initiative, make her own plans, but have we ever seen them *not* be goal-oriented?)

(This is me asking in idle curiosity because it is relevant to the topic, and not nagging . . read any more of my fic yet? *bats eyelashes*)