Criminal Minds and a little Doctor Who
Taking a break from my big bang work (not that I really need a break from picspaming topless!sean bean...) to post my reaction to Criminal Minds (6x22) - which is mostly shallow, but partly to do with the case
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there really needs to be an episode where the LEO IS the unsub - they've never done that (though I now have an unsub for my cm big bang YAY go brain)
See I like the idea of seaver, I just think they've failed totally at writing her (my casestory big bang fic is seaver fic - otherwise known as 'the fic of how they should have introduced her, and edited her background to make her work') - I would like for them to have just expanded the cast (so have her come in as a proper trainee)
I also think there's the whole issue with the fact that with the JJ and Prentiss stuff, it lead to most people thinking like you (I'm far too used to it happening - it sucks ass everytime and it's always the girls *sighs* - aka dear SGA fandom, you fail, cos you cared more about the supporting guy losing his job than the lead woman)
It's sad we didn't get to see her introduced the way Ed says he intended.
I kinda heart the dave and hotch relationship too much to not just squee over that scene (I think he's gotten to the point that he cares enough to do that - or is dwelling on the fact he never had kids, IDK)
see, I'm not as big a fan of Reid, but I blame fandom for that, but yes, there was a sad lack of both of them in this episode *pouts* - but this season has failed entirely on even showing of characters, two/three are always kinda phoning it in it seems - I do miss the proper proifling scene where reid got to be reid and then they'd call garcia and she'd be all bouncy....maybe we'll get that back next season?
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Well, wet!Morgan is especially distracting. When they were going in the house, prior to that and he was holding his gun? Oh jeez, those arms were just making me drool. And I may have said aloud, "It should be illegal for one man to look that sexy".
there really needs to be an episode where the LEO IS the unsub - they've never done that
I think that would be a great twist. I know other shows have done it or at least I think I remember that. So it would be cool, I think.
See I like the idea of seaver, I just think they've failed totally at writing her
Yes. Also, I think I harbor resentment about the whole "we can't afford AJ and Paget, but can afford some new chick" thing which really has nothing to do with the character and everything to do with the PTB behind the scenes. Which isn't fair to the character, but there you go.
I do have to say if they hadn't just thrust her in there but brought her in as an intern or something, I might be more down with it. I await your story to see how you handle it!
I kinda heart the dave and hotch relationship
I'm not a huge Rossi fan, although I do like Joe Mantegna better than Mandy Patinkin (blasphemy, I know. Don't hate me). But I do like the relationship between he and Hotch, because if he didn't have Rossi, Hotch really wouldn't have anyone. He's too much the "dad" figure of the team to ever be comfortable hanging out and kicking it with Garcia and Morgan.
this season has failed entirely on even showing of characters, two/three are always kinda phoning it in
Yes, something tells me the writer's room needs to refresh themselves on the show bible. Because this is, after all, a show about a TEAM of PROFILERS. Let's get back to that, shall we?
I will probably never understand why shows that are doing well want to "shake things up"--just stick with what's working, please. (Yes, House and Supernatural, I'm lookin' at YOU) I know the writers and PTB think people lose interest, but really--come up with creative criminals/monsters/health problems and those of us who like the show will stick with you. But if you start throwing in all this implausible stuff, I'mma wave bye-bye.
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my seaver fic is kinda weird - I have a partial draft - that's I'm poking - and it's complex cos it's seaver in semi-present as the focus (so the reader only knows what she does) and Hotch in his early bau days in the same role - and I think I need to seriously consider where it's going and rewrite what I've written (and have pre-retirement rossi be less of an arse)
I prefer Rossi over Gideon as well :) - Rossi grew on me and is now in my group of favourites (with ensembles I end up with two groups, the ones I adore, and the ones I like - occassionally there's the third 'meh' group, but only Seaver is on the edge of that) - and yeah, a lot of why he grew on me is because he's Hotch's support system, and he's kinda above the rest of them (as shown by how he talks to strauss *g*)
I think they've just failed to find new writers who can write ensemble drama - which is a failing a lot - it's sad that they didn't just keep the writers they had, who could all write ensemble (off the top of my head, the only shows that manage ensemble well that I've watched are: Castle (which doesn't need to, but somehow does), Lost Girl (once it got going - they made the twin storyline in one episode thing WORK), Babylon 5 (kinda cheating, as one guy wrote the majority of eps *g*), Firefly (seriously, one episode had four focuses, and it worked) - torchwood, had ups and downs, and numb3rs was really good at it most of the time
and that's all I can think of - the shows I've watched that are sold as ensemble but suck it are more numerous (CSI I am looking at you especially)
I have no idea if the criminal minds lot actually have a show bible (they need one, seriously) judging from the state of what the guy writing the three tag on novels wrote (morgan = ex cop and atf, seven years in the bureau, and a law degree, and only 33 (circa late s2) o.O, when he managed all of that I do not know)
It's a shame we don't get much of morgan the bomb and obsessional crimes guy - we're getting more of Hotch the hostage situation guy, sadly none of hotch the awesome expert witness (though apparently the spin off mentions him for that, why do people give me reasons to watch it? I'll end up giggling all the way through again) - rossi the sects and groups specialist doesn't really get attention (he doesn't even get to be the guy who's seen it all anymore :() - reid's geographic profiles (and anything maths) are kinda pretty things that get mentioned - we never got enough of Prentiss and her languages - and they missed so many chances with JJ (I want the unsub obsessed with her due to her being on the news so much - I doubt we'll get it, I have no idea how her coming back is going to work) - and Garcia, oh, we don't get even banter (she has not surprised a smile out of Hotch in far too long) or awesome search skills
*breathes* sorry that ended up rather epic ;) (I am huge on continuity and such - I am poking through at the moment hunting to see if we see hotch's scars/ankle holster at other points - I may be puasing the end of 6x22 to see scars wise, I doubt it. I would be a truely evil person to have help run a show/on a show *g*)
I do miss the team - there is not enough team - and not enough profiling. Really not. Criminal Minds is turning into a cop show *cries a little*
Oh I am so totally with you on getting annoyed with the way they always think they need to shake things up by getting rid of people/killing them/piaring people up randomly
I want, so so badly, a decent storyline where someone gets a serious injury and they have to work through it (I was disappointed as hell with the way they dealt with bobby in spn) - I adored Dark Angel for that one - death/putting people on a bus is done too much these days. And so few of the deaths really mean anything *sighs*
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I prefer Rossi over Gideon as well :)
I don't think I've ever seen anyone else say that. I always feel like I'm the only one who doesn't just adore Gideon. But I like how Rossi is less of a know it all. And I liked how he had started to bond with Prentiss.
I think they've just failed to find new writers who can write ensemble drama - which is a failing a lot - it's sad that they didn't just keep the writers they had, who could all write ensemble
I think you've nailed it on the head there. It's like they just don't know what to do with that many characters at one time. And I get that it would be hard, but why would you get rid of the writers who do it well??? And you know, I never really thought about it, but you're totally right about the CSIs. None of them are really great at ensemble, although the best of the three is New York, I think.
I have no idea if the criminal minds lot actually have a show bible (they need one, seriously) judging from the state of what the guy writing the three tag on novels wrote
They really do need one, especially as the show goes on. Because otherwise, they end up making rookie mistakes like that. And also as illustrated by the areas of expertise that you listed up there. Because I had forgotten about a lot of those things because they so very rarely come up.
though apparently the spin off mentions him for that, why do people give me reasons to watch it? I'll end up giggling all the way through again)
The spin-off did mention it, this week as a matter of fact. But other than sharing the name and bits of Garcia, the spin-off is ATROCIOUS. I keep thinking, oh, it can't be as bad as I remember. And then I watch it and am like, "well, that's another hour of my life I'll never get back."
I was disappointed as hell with the way they dealt with bobby in spn
Me too. There's no reason he couldn't have fulfilled his role (as we'd come to know it thus far, as the "researcher/expert/librarian") while still in the chair. His having to deal with it in a real, rather than supernatural way, would have made a much better story, IMO.
I am a stickler for continuity! I mean, really, sometimes I wonder why they even bother when they can't act like they're concerned with making it fit the story they've already told.
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Yeah, see the continuity thing had me muttering during the whole prentiss sotryline, cos on the one hand it was like she'd lied before, on the other Hotch apparently knew *waves hands around* - though eyeing fandom most of them don't remember some of the stuff I do (Katie Cole! I want moar old school girl profilers, we've not had any mentioned since season two)
Yeah I watched the first episode with badfalcon - by the end we had no idea who any of the characters were (they didn't introduce themselves) and we were offended that they called garcia 'P' so much - plus the opening reminded my of the A Team, and 'red' cell' makes me twitch (it should be white cell, cos white cells are tha fast repsonse, red cells just amble around with oxygen and iron - not that that really is relevant but that's what my brain thinks when it sees red cell)
(though my brain is still like ' but they mentioned hotch - even though I see welsh boy as 'the guy who ianto tasered in the head' and that's what i always think - it takes a while to think rawson)
Continuity is very very important (even the small things - yes I spent an hour yday trying to figure out if TG was made up with Hotch's scars in the soccer scenes, and I thought 'dang what about his backup gun' after the underwater scene, and yes I look for the holster - SHush it's totally normal ;))
Did you ever see Dark Angel? They were awesome on the Logan storyline - if they'd done similiar with Bobby in SPN I would have been happy - but *pokes at SPN* yeah they fail on a lot of stuff :(
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There was an ep of regular CM last season that had Forrest and some of the others (but not Janeane Garafolo, I don't think) so they probably thought fans would remember who they were supposed to be? But the ep was annoying, so I think it was pretty forgettable for people.
The thing that throws me is Garcia's red hair. Because on CM she currently has the blonde. So are we to assume that Suspect is occurring on a different time line than regular? Because that's just confusing.
I'm laughing at your red cell/white cell description, because you're so right! White cells are the fighters. My brain associates "cells" with bad guys, so every time I hear it, I have a moment of disconnect.
I wasn't aware that Rawson was Welsh. I thought he was Australian. Whoops, identification of accent fail there. And usually I'm so good at it! And I didn't realize he'd been on Torchwood. Which episode (by what happened in it, not name, I can never remember those)?
I have not seen Dark Angel. It didn't appeal to me at the time it was on, so I never watched it. I do have all the Jensen episodes, just haven't seen them yet.
Oh SPN. The show we love to disparage. There are things I LOVE about the show (including the amazing chemistry between the Js) and things I loathe (angels v. demons, lookin' at you). I've slacked off watching this season because the whole Soulless Sam storyline just left me cold. And even though from spoilers I know they 'fix' him, I just can't make myself watch yet.
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The thing that throws me is Garcia's red hair. Because on CM she currently has the blonde. So are we to assume that Suspect is occurring on a different time line than regular? Because that's just confusing.
someone said somewhere that the last one was meant to be during corazon (miami, reid's headache flail) - I'm guessing a reference made them think that - so it's behind canon, so her hair should go blonde in, ummm, a few episodes..
LOL those are both very good reasons for the whole 'red cell' thing to be terrible ;) (also, I remember the other thing we mocked - they are meant to be rapid response but it took 12 hours before they turned up for that first case, which was a child kidnapping, aka 75% of kids would have already been kid, or something like that, according to reid)
HEEE you'd be in the group that tell me I sound australian then *g* - in all fairness, his accent wandered a lot in the cm episode and then the pilot (but he seemed to have settled on just using his own accent by the end of that ep, but didn't watch any more so I do not know)- he was in the second series episode with the space whale, when rhys got shot
SPN, I watched the first ep of s6, am now going to wait till it finishes airing then watch it in one go (with sugar, and lots of tea) - there haz been awesome to go with the fail yes *nods*
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So I've been told. And there is, really, in what I have seen. I just, I dunno, they sorta lost me last season with the whole angel/demon thing. I love Misha and think he's a hoot, but I don't really care anything about the angels as characters.
so it's behind canon, so her hair should go blonde in, ummm, a few episodes.
That's dumb. And confusing. They should fix that.
which was a child kidnapping, aka 75% of kids would have already been killed
Yes! That is a terrible response time, especially for people with supposed access to a private jet.
HEEE you'd be in the group that tell me I sound australian then
You're Welsh then, are you? You're right, I do have a harder time with the Welsh folks than the other parts of the UK. Not as many tv shows from there (other than TW)!
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I have no idea what they'll do/are doing with a seventh season o.O
spin offs always seem to suck at relating to the parents shows (trying to figure out the timeline with Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis was neigh on impossible, more so because of the number of crossovers *flails*) - I don;t think they ever actually think about it
HEH dad wandered in when I was watching Criminal Minds once, eyed the jet, informed me what type it was, then ambled out again *pets the aircraft engineer father* - he does it with scenery as well if he's been to where they filmed (that's mostly what he remembers of brokeback mountain) - but yes, with that jet, they should have better timing ;)
Not welsh - though I seem to have acquired some occassional welsh - I have a strange mixed up Britsh accent (parents from essex, me born in norfolk, raised in Cornwall, the Highlands and Lancashire, uni in bournemouth and cardiff - and friends from birmingham and london - and I tend to pick up bits depending on where I am) - basically, I confuse people ;)
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Hee! Me too. I tend to pick up other people's accents and speech patterns really quickly. And I've been told I don't really have "an accent", although I tend to skew toward the American Deep South. Because that's the accent I prefer. I grew up right outside Pittsburgh, PA and I've worked VERY hard to not have that accent as I think it's horrid.
As for spin-offs, I rarely think they work. Yes, sometimes they're ok, but most of the time, just no.
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Yeah spinoffs rarely do well/often go too far
I just remembered, randomly, there was a LEO as killer, only he didn't call in the BAU (the one with the female lead cop that got killed, it was about illegals getting killed in the desert)
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