So...the last time I posted in this thing, I'd just gotten tired of ranting about useless stuff in my life and decided to start a (since failed) music blog, given that that's what this was turning into anyway
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Re: you again!weasel_seekerApril 23 2008, 02:59:39 UTC
Anyway, not that I'm a huge zombie movie fan, but Romero's early ones are well done pieces of satire and cultural commentary. His newer ones are supposedly overly heavy-handed, but the old ones are on the mark. Plus, Shaun of the Dead is brilliant, doing double duty as both satire of zombie movie conventions and certain parts of British society.
Really care? Care isn't the right word. Can learn from, think about, contemplate. That's the issue.
There's an entire discussion to be had over your use of the phrase "[t]he experimental or the influential music" that we can have LATER because I don't have time to really get into it. Only to say this. Experimental? Pop is where at least 50%, if not more, of sonic experimentation is going on right now, especially since the bottom's been falling out of the market and they've started throwing anything and everything against the wall to see what sticks. "Influential music". Influence is determined ex post facto, Brendan. And if you thus mean the Canon stuff, do you include the highly influential pre-beatles pop system, and Motown, and the funk scene? Or just standard Dylan/Beatles/Stones/etc. (i.e. white guys w/ guitars)? Why take it seriously? Because the people making it take it seriously. The whole "this is an artistic statement, while this other thing can't possibly be one because it's self-conscious manufactured product" thing is a bit old.
And to be fair, while there are 3 Radiohead albums I love, Amnesiac and Hail to the Thief still do close to nothing for me, and although Kid A is a great album, it's nowhere near as groundbreaking as it's made out to be (see: Aphex Twin, any other electronic artist they were influenced by during that album and didn't pull of as well). I'll take OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. Bends too, I guess.
Re: you again!brendan62442April 23 2008, 03:22:04 UTC
Oh man, I'm picking way too many arguments for during your exam time. I promise, right after I post this, to write out an actual reply and save it in a text file for later.
Re: you again!weasel_seekerApril 23 2008, 04:33:42 UTC
And I promise that Monday after 5 pm, we can start arguing about this stuff. Granted, I'll also be engaged in celebratory drinking, so I can't guarantee coherence, but I can guarantee time.
Also, be aware that we're generally on the same page with most of these things. So...I'm fine with picking the high/low art argument since it's the only thing I'd take issue with.
Also, keep in mind that THAT up there isn't an argument. It's reductivist and simplified and more to make a quick point. So....you know. After Monday, we'll actually tackle this.
Really care? Care isn't the right word. Can learn from, think about, contemplate. That's the issue.
There's an entire discussion to be had over your use of the phrase "[t]he experimental or the influential music" that we can have LATER because I don't have time to really get into it. Only to say this. Experimental? Pop is where at least 50%, if not more, of sonic experimentation is going on right now, especially since the bottom's been falling out of the market and they've started throwing anything and everything against the wall to see what sticks. "Influential music". Influence is determined ex post facto, Brendan. And if you thus mean the Canon stuff, do you include the highly influential pre-beatles pop system, and Motown, and the funk scene? Or just standard Dylan/Beatles/Stones/etc. (i.e. white guys w/ guitars)? Why take it seriously? Because the people making it take it seriously. The whole "this is an artistic statement, while this other thing can't possibly be one because it's self-conscious manufactured product" thing is a bit old.
And to be fair, while there are 3 Radiohead albums I love, Amnesiac and Hail to the Thief still do close to nothing for me, and although Kid A is a great album, it's nowhere near as groundbreaking as it's made out to be (see: Aphex Twin, any other electronic artist they were influenced by during that album and didn't pull of as well). I'll take OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. Bends too, I guess.
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Also, be aware that we're generally on the same page with most of these things. So...I'm fine with picking the high/low art argument since it's the only thing I'd take issue with.
Also, keep in mind that THAT up there isn't an argument. It's reductivist and simplified and more to make a quick point. So....you know. After Monday, we'll actually tackle this.
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