Now that the trial is over, I suppose we should have another open forum. For those who didn't attend, the defendant was found not guilty
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Faith in the people, I suppose. The ratio of people to the amount of crimes committed makes it fairly obvious that most people simply want to live in peace, with little desire or no desire to inflict harm on others.
It seems most residents of the city come from fairly moderns points in time, generally of American or Japanese descent. Seeing as the attorneys all fall under this category, we used a basis in the laws we were taught to protect, modifying as necessary for the case of this city.
I would believe the laws are just. Those who murder, kidnap and assault (all of which have happened in this city's past) need to be punished, and the victims deserve justice. I'd hardly put any of this in comparison to the CIA, or anything of the sort. Our job is to protect the people, and that is what we're here to do.
Those on our police force have little to do with government, especially seeing as we're not a governed city, save for the whims of the scientists. Those on the force here are merely a group of citizens wishing to protect others.
Who polices the police? Who watches the watchmen?
The police aren't the ones to be wary of. The scientists, however, are.
There is no agenda. There's nothing more than trying to keep order and safety in a city of chaos. As a reference, I suggest you take a look at the laws as they placed in the city. Of course, we're always willing to listen and take suggestions to improve. However, writing it off because of the way things may work in your respective world is hardly acceptable.
arggg, I need to sleep and I can't until I reply to this XD (and not make typos!)horus_nefertiMarch 9 2009, 18:41:53 UTC
Your faith in people would be enviable if it weren't foolish and childlike. Because you see no evidence of wrong doing you assume it isn't there? As for laws, again I have no approval of personal rights being infringed upon by another, but to impose a force to monitor and punish those who infringe on the laws is exactly the same as the CIA or any government organization of which the police and the law system are an extension of. "Protect the people" forever the battle cry of politicians who would strip the individual of their personal freedom and invade their life. What happens when the people 'just trying to live' start to behave according to their old lifestyles of greed and capitalism and property? The few resources and foods are collected by groups and sold leaving some with nothing and no choice but for violence? Where do you decide to end the laws and ensure that the abuses which are natural to these institutes--power corrupts afterall--will end? When do you take away a man's right to arm himself and protect himself?
I agree the scientists from what I've heard thus far, are indeed not to be trusted. Science lost all credibility and respect once it created a soul-killing weapon in the name of science and protection. But the police are no different and everyone has an agenda, even if they aren't aware of it. THey work towards it regardless of how well they know themselves. The police the scientists the authors and yes the watchmen.
Which is why the best way to do away with the agenda of those who monitor the police and would turn all of our privacy into public matters, would be to eliminate those who watch and are watched, and leave justice to the people, without rules. As you said, when the majority decides. Leave them to face themselves, their integrity and the consequences of their actions if they are brave enough can act.
People held to their actions behave far more honorable than those who hide behind an authority.
I don't assume it's not there. To be frank, it's always rather obvious when I a crime occurs in the city. The communication devices pick up quite a few things that occur. I understand that you're wary of our intent, which is something I can understand. However, our intent is not to take away anyone's freedom or invade their privacy. There's little chance of more of the aforementioned things happening - at least, not at any point in the near future. This is merely the beginnings of rebuilding a fallen city.
Will corruption come? Likely. Such is just the way of human nature. That doesn't mean that those of us who are aiming to bring a bit of peace and organization are immediately out to corrupt others and invade their privacy. There's no intent any time in the near future to take away the right to bear arms... or any other rights, for that matter.
I don't believe anyone here is hiding behind authority, and they indeed being held responsible for their actions. I suppose this is something not everyone will agree on, but it's been effective for the time being - I hardly see a reason to change it as of now.
So to rebuild we are using a system that in the future may yield to and even cause corruption. It is easy to see those who have ambitions larger than the greater good and yet you persist in defending a system historically corrupt by saying it hasn't happened yet? Because the abuses of power haven't occurred yet they shouldn't be changed before the inevitable happens?
You have the opportunity to rebuild a city and yet you cling to old fashioned ideals with all of the old vices of humanity.
Humanity will be humanity, regardless of time or place. Ergo, no matter what it is we do, there will be at least one individual who finds a way to corrupt whatever system is implements. The fact of the matter is, this system is not identical to any one system that's been used before. It takes elements of a number of systems.
I'm afraid you've arrived three months too late for this argument.
It seems most residents of the city come from fairly moderns points in time, generally of American or Japanese descent. Seeing as the attorneys all fall under this category, we used a basis in the laws we were taught to protect, modifying as necessary for the case of this city.
I would believe the laws are just. Those who murder, kidnap and assault (all of which have happened in this city's past) need to be punished, and the victims deserve justice. I'd hardly put any of this in comparison to the CIA, or anything of the sort. Our job is to protect the people, and that is what we're here to do.
Those on our police force have little to do with government, especially seeing as we're not a governed city, save for the whims of the scientists. Those on the force here are merely a group of citizens wishing to protect others.
Who polices the police? Who watches the watchmen?
The police aren't the ones to be wary of. The scientists, however, are.
There is no agenda. There's nothing more than trying to keep order and safety in a city of chaos. As a reference, I suggest you take a look at the laws as they placed in the city. Of course, we're always willing to listen and take suggestions to improve. However, writing it off because of the way things may work in your respective world is hardly acceptable.
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I agree the scientists from what I've heard thus far, are indeed not to be trusted. Science lost all credibility and respect once it created a soul-killing weapon in the name of science and protection. But the police are no different and everyone has an agenda, even if they aren't aware of it. THey work towards it regardless of how well they know themselves. The police the scientists the authors and yes the watchmen.
Which is why the best way to do away with the agenda of those who monitor the police and would turn all of our privacy into public matters, would be to eliminate those who watch and are watched, and leave justice to the people, without rules. As you said, when the majority decides. Leave them to face themselves, their integrity and the consequences of their actions if they are brave enough can act.
People held to their actions behave far more honorable than those who hide behind an authority.
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Will corruption come? Likely. Such is just the way of human nature. That doesn't mean that those of us who are aiming to bring a bit of peace and organization are immediately out to corrupt others and invade their privacy. There's no intent any time in the near future to take away the right to bear arms... or any other rights, for that matter.
I don't believe anyone here is hiding behind authority, and they indeed being held responsible for their actions. I suppose this is something not everyone will agree on, but it's been effective for the time being - I hardly see a reason to change it as of now.
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You have the opportunity to rebuild a city and yet you cling to old fashioned ideals with all of the old vices of humanity.
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I'm afraid you've arrived three months too late for this argument.
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Pray there is no corruption within your ranks.
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