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skeletncloset April 13 2016, 02:23:29 UTC
omg. Feminized Dean/John is EVERYTHING so is the icky-creeper!pedo!John . I want to know how John first groomed Dean into their sexual relationship. I want to feel Dean's fear and slight disgust only to be overwhelmed by his need for approval. Thank you for this. I got a totally American Horror Story vibe.

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vyperdd April 13 2016, 12:52:16 UTC
So happy you enjoyed your gift!!! And that you want more of icky-creeper!pedoJohn. Love writing him so much.

I'm sure I'll be able to come up with the back-story/prequel just not sure when but it will happen!! Am trying to focus on my spn_j2_bigbang at the moment.

I love your take on Dean being afraid/disgusted/overwhelmed. Lots to think about!!

I know I touched on their 1st time very briefly in the 1st fic, but the lead up to that and John's grooming of Dean is definitely worth exploring!! Is there a minimum age you want Dean to be?? He's 14 so the grooming could possibly have been going on before he was a teen.

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skeletncloset April 13 2016, 19:40:09 UTC
Well, this is creeper John. My personal preferences are completely divorced from the content. I don't have a sexual interest in pedophilia. However, the psychology behind the survivors of cross-generational incest is crack to me. If you can write it from the pedo perspective is even more interesting to me. The mechanics. I want to understand. How is it done? How to you groom a victim.

So any of these are fine.
-Nepiophilia is attraction infants and toddlers (age 0-3). It s a sub-type of pedophilia.
-Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty (0-12)
-Hebephilia is attraction to children who are in the midst of puberty (11-15)
-Ephebophilia is attraction to late-puberty (15-19)

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skeletncloset April 13 2016, 22:24:21 UTC
Pain too. I like pain.

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vyperdd April 14 2016, 03:02:36 UTC
I'm the same. In RL any form of abuse against children sickens me but in FICTION with FICTIONAL characters I find it fascinating and yes, damn, damn hot and a massive turn on. So I just write what gets me turned on and this is the result.

I don't really know anything about the psychology behind loving children like that and grooming them so not sure I can go that deep into John's motivations and reasons for what's he's doing to both his boys. He's like me when I read and write this stuff. He enjoys it and gets off to it, so he does it. Not sure even he thinks about it beyond the feelings it gives him and the orgasms.

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skeletncloset April 15 2016, 03:01:35 UTC
I'm sure you read TAMPA. I loved it even though I felt queasy the whole way. I enjoyed it anyway. It was amazing. The author was able to channel the predatory behavior of her narrator. It blew me away. It's all about power play. I was thinking something along those lines.

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vyperdd April 15 2016, 03:19:22 UTC
Haven't read it but I want to. Gotta link for me???

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skeletncloset April 15 2016, 03:26:43 UTC
OMGGG. YOU HAVEN'T. You'd love it.

I felt like the author put a cheese grater to my skin. It was raw, powerful, revolting, fascinating.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17225311-tampa

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vyperdd April 15 2016, 03:36:05 UTC
thanks,

have ordered it. Just from the description, it sounds like my type of story!!!

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vyperdd April 14 2016, 03:10:43 UTC
Oh you like pain, huh???? *claps hands*

Good to know as I really want to expand the kinks John does with both boys and some of them involving Dean do feature painplay and lots of physical discomfort for him. What he loves John doing to him (cutting, watersports) and what he hates (breathplay, so of course John does lots of it)

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skeletncloset April 15 2016, 03:05:15 UTC

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skeletncloset April 15 2016, 03:15:42 UTC
I used to be in the sadistic camp irl. But recently, due to stress, I flipped the switch. I feel numb and bored and altogether somewhere else. I can't connect with anyone. But pain has been an anchor in sex. I know I should be cautious but I'm not. My safe bet is to experience by proxy. I want it to be bitter and dark and horrific. I want an unraveling psyche. GIVE ME YOUR VIOLENCE.

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vyperdd April 15 2016, 03:28:26 UTC
Oh, wow you are speaking my language!!!

Will do my best to give you what you want. I sometimes hold back in the level of kink depravity I really want to write because of the fear of turning readers off, of disgusting them but with this series and thanks to your wonderful support and enthusiasm, I feel like I can finally unleash my inner sadist and just go for it.

Am thinking that with John bringing Sam into his bed soon, he can focus exploring his darker fantasies and kinks with Dean, so poor Dean will bear the brunt of John's sexual violence. He loves Dean but he's not IN LOVE with him like he is with Sam, so I feel he's prepared to go much further into dark pain stuff than he ever will with Sam.

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skeletncloset April 15 2016, 03:42:22 UTC
He loves Dean but he's not IN LOVE with him like he is with Sam, so I feel he's prepared to go much further into dark pain stuff than he ever will with Sam.

Just fell to my knees for you. THIS. I want John to treat Dean like a Sam substitute. Dean would agree to rougher play and depravity if only to keep John's attention because all John wants is Sam.

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skeletncloset April 15 2016, 03:43:41 UTC
And Dean went along with John's kinks to keep him from preying on Sam. Dean isn't as okay with everything as he's made himself believe he is.

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skeletncloset April 15 2016, 03:45:04 UTC

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