Luxuries, confusion, and productivity.

Jul 08, 2009 14:08

You know, there are things that many people take for granted. One of them, is being able to have water at all. When you have had moments in your life when the only way you could take a bath was to go outside in the winter and melt snow on a fireplace or a stove, or when you have no access to water at all... you start to really appreciate what you ( Read more... )

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Re: Sense cannot be made... gabrielhorse July 20 2009, 22:46:31 UTC
One: Nah, you don't sound grumpy or rude... I can understand it not wanting to happen. I'm no fan of cold showers or the "boil & fill the bathtub" method either.

Two; That's exactly my point: It DOESN'T make sense. Nor is it ever going to be something we humans can understand. We've been cultured to think a certain way, while animals (as we classify them) do not. Cause & effect is a human concept, something alien to dogs as well as every other lifeform on this planet. So while I don't blame you for being shocked because your dog snapped at you for no discernable reason, I urge you to question your accepted value system of what you beleive to be the norm of animal behavior.

I have raised dogs essentially all my life, and I know that they all have different temperaments and different personalities. One dog can be really lazy while another really active and playful, which would be the stepping stone to indicate that they have different mental patterns. So, if personality can be attained why can't mental disorders?

Ask yourself the question, "How do I know they all have different temperaments?" (BTW I do this stuff with Rob all the time, so don't think I'm singling you out here) That "stepping stone" is merely used by us humans to link things to cause & effect, but when you strip the idea away, there's really no certainty we as a species no anything about anything... your dog's recent behavior has caused you a moment of clairity on that, which- due to a lifetime of indoctrinated culture- you are conditioned to want to mask with the familiarity of reason, cause & effect... which is what's led you to say animals has recognizable personalities.

*taps hoof while pondering* I wonder if what I've said makes any sense to you now...

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Re: Sense cannot be made... vulpixnine July 20 2009, 23:08:13 UTC
No, I get what you are saying. You are saying that as a human being, I can't know what my dogs are thinking because they don't think like we do. And you are saying that the reason that I think they have personalities is because I have been conditioned that everything has a cause and an effect. When, in some times, shit just happens.

Though, I disagree that my thinking is just due to that reason. I watched my dogs since they were puppies. I have seen their good days, and I have seen their bad days. I have seen them not like another dog and avoid them through selection. I have seen them do the most stupid things as well. Like my dog will randomly eat shit from the yard, but that is because when she was in the race track they would eat so little and be so starving that they would have to eat shit to try to survive. I have seen my dogs get upset and worried about things, the same dog that I have will start to pace when someone else is in her sleeping spot. She also knows that she gets a cookie around the same time everyday and will annoy you for her cookie. She also knows who to annoy for her cookie. Though, that is just repeated condition that she has learned and recognized.

Some things that they do, I won't get. I can't say that I know every single thing there is to know about dogs. Though, I do know quite a bit. And dogs do have emotions, they express them in ways a human being misinterprets but some are really obvious. I believe that dogs do have personalities, and I do believe they are capable of having mental conditions and disorders.

You can find them to be nothing but a brainless animal if you wish. Though, I am going to disagree with you based on my experience with dogs, at least my own.

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Re: Interpretations 'is' Us gabrielhorse July 20 2009, 23:16:29 UTC
Like Meatloaf said, "Two outta three ain't bad". I defintly don't think animals are brainless, but rather I think humans are presumptuous. Emotions, personalities, cause & effect- it's all the same hodgepodge, but I've bothered you enough for now. You seem to get it, despite disagreement.

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